[SkinnyFella]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

It helps anyone in the future who might have been picked up on this charge. If the people in prison committed other crimes besides holding a baggy of grass, THAT is on THEM

Again, no one will ever go to federal prison for possession alone, so it won't really save anyone. If we're trying to help people, we should be doing this at the state level.

[eryan725]

If you look into this it actually got zero people pardoned so thanks again for nothing leftist idiots

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by SkinnyFella ↗

Again, no one will ever go to federal prison for possession alone, so it won't really save anyone. If we're trying to help people, we should be doing this at the state level.

One less charge available to the feds is fine by me. They can't pull you over on suspicion of possession anymore; they'll have to get more creative.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by eryan725 ↗

If you look into this it actually got zero people pardoned so thanks again for nothing leftist idiots

Bush had two terms, Trump had one term, neither did anything about legalizing cannabis, so the blame is bipartisan

[shitfly]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

One less charge available to the feds is fine by me. They can't pull you over on suspicion of possession anymore; they'll have to get more creative.

I think you are not understanding....

The feds aren't pulling anyone over for suspicion of Marijuana possession. They have bigger fish to fry.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by shitfly ↗

I think you are not understanding....

The feds aren't pulling anyone over for suspicion of Marijuana possession. They have bigger fish to fry.

No, YOU are not understanding. Let me put it into perspective.

The serial killer John Wayne Gacy was arrested, not initially for murder, but for possession.

He was witnessed by law enforcement attempting to pass a baggie of grass to a gas station employee. At this point detectives were 90% sure they had the right guy, but that wasnt enough to arrest him, and they were concerned because Gacy was behaving erratically and they feared he might be on the verge of committing suicide.

The point is that law enforcement will use any pretense available to them in their quest for justice. Heres another example:

YOU might be a perfect witness against a crime boss, but you dont wish to testify. Your beautiful perfect daughter, who is in the top of her class at a prestigious law school, is caught by local law enforcement smoking weed in a public park, which is considered federal land. The FBI gets wind of this; they can put pressure on YOU that they will charge HER with possession via federal law, potentially ruining her future career, unless you testify.

Do you understand now why one less tool in the hands of the federal government is a GOOD thing? Especially with something so trivial as cannabis?

[shitfly]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

No, YOU are not understanding. Let me put it into perspective.

The serial killer John Wayne Gacy was arrested, not initially for murder, but for possession.

He was witnessed by law enforcement attempting to pass a baggie of grass to a gas station employee. At this point detectives were 90% sure they had the right guy, but that wasnt enough to arrest him, and they were concerned because Gacy was behaving erratically and they feared he might be on the verge of committing suicide.

The point is that law enforcement will use any pretense available to them in their quest for justice. Heres another example:

YOU might be a perfect witness against a crime boss, but you dont wish to testify. Your beautiful perfect daughter, who is in the top of her class at a prestigious law school, is caught by local law enforcement smoking weed in a public park, which is considered federal land. The FBI gets wind of this; they can put pressure on YOU that they will charge HER with possession via federal law, potentially ruining her future career, unless you testify.

Do you understand now why one less tool in the hands of the federal government is a GOOD thing? Especially with something so trivial as cannabis?

And you don't think they could still leverage any of that anymore just bc it's not a federal crime? Do you really think that they can only throw their hands up in the air and go "whelp! Nothing we can do now, guys... let's go home."?

It changes absolutely nothing.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by shitfly ↗

And you don't think they could still leverage any of that anymore just bc it's not a federal crime? Do you really think that they can only throw their hands up in the air and go "whelp! Nothing we can do now, guys... let's go home."?

It changes absolutely nothing.

I didn't SAY they were just going to throw up their hands and admit defeat. Going back to the Gacy example, the law against possession gave the officers a PRETEXT to arrest him.

The cops could give a shit whether he was in possession of marijuana; if I remember correctly, they'd already found PLENTY of weed and other drugs during an initial search warrant executed at Gacy's house. In that last day, law enforcement was concerned that Gacy was a flight risk, in this case via suicide, so they used what pretty much amounted to a bluenose statute at their disposal to apprehend him while they solidified the murder charges against him and executed a SECOND search warrant to dig up his crawlspace.

[shitfly]

Originally Posted by foxfantastic ↗

I didn't SAY they were just going to throw up their hands and admit defeat. Going back to the Gacy example, the law against possession gave the officers a PRETEXT to arrest him.

The cops could give a shit whether he was in possession of marijuana; if I remember correctly, they'd already found PLENTY of weed and other drugs during an initial search warrant executed at Gacy's house. In that last day, law enforcement was concerned that Gacy was a flight risk, in this case via suicide, so they used what pretty much amounted to a bluenose statute at their disposal to apprehend him while they solidified the murder charges against him and executed a SECOND search warrant to dig up his crawlspace.

There are still laws against possession, usually handled by local authorities. In any case, drug charges on the federal level are reserved for major offenses, such as manufacturing and trafficking.

If they want to use simple marijuana possession as a means to an advantage somehow, they have many avenues at their disposal already to make that happen, and no federal law re: possession is going hinder their objective.

[foxfantastic]

Originally Posted by shitfly ↗

There are still laws against possession, usually handled by local authorities. In any case, drug charges on the federal level are reserved for major offenses, such as manufacturing and trafficking.

If they want to use simple marijuana possession as a means to an advantage somehow, they have many avenues at their disposal already to make that happen, and no federal law re: possession is going hinder their objective.

The highlighted statement is all I'm concerned with, that they HAD the potential to use that to their advantage and now they don't. I can't get any plainer than the Gacy example as to how that might have been an option in that type of situation.