[hulk]

Originally Posted by Eddy Haskell ↗

"Only in China"? Don't fool yourself. Some 60,000 Americans die due to their jobs each year. And under Trump and Pence, it is going to become far worse. Can you say "deregulation"?

Stfu you moron. How on earth would any POTUS affect this nonsense?!? People all of a sudden gonna start sticking their heads in wood chippers because the danger sign was removed. God you're so stupid. Hopefully we get a video of you on here soon.

[Nick_ufc]

Any excuse to finish work early

[striker47]

Originally Posted by Eddy Haskell ↗

"Only in China"? Don't fool yourself. Some 60,000 Americans die due to their jobs each year. And under Trump and Pence, it is going to become far worse. Can you say "deregulation"?

So... Despite the will of the people to limit government intrusion into their lives you are calling for more of it?

[evvanrenea]

Originally Posted by Eddy Haskell ↗

"Only in China"? Don't fool yourself. Some 60,000 Americans die due to their jobs each year. And under Trump and Pence, it is going to become far worse. Can you say "deregulation"?

Really.... I bet the butt hurt libs can turn just about anything into a trump issue

[dlclotus]

Originally Posted by Eddy Haskell ↗

"Only in China"? Don't fool yourself. Some 60,000 Americans die due to their jobs each year. And under Trump and Pence, it is going to become far worse. Can you say "deregulation"?

Uh... shut up.

[cortdb]

Originally Posted by Eddy Haskell ↗

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cortdb: "Also, overregulation and [trade] unions [are] why this man in China was killed." (sic)s of Death
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Actually, cortdb, what you have been conditioned to view as "overregulation" is anything but overregulation. Rather, regulation of industry is simply that which is necessary to better protect workers and our natural environment - our life support system. The fact that industrial accidents (per 100,000 workers) as well as land, air and water pollution have been significantly reduced since the highly deregulated Gilded Age speaks volumes for the need for very robot regulations.



When you hear Fox “News,” Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, etc., speak of “job-killing overregulation” it must be recognized that these institutions and individuals are monetarily influenced by the likes of the Koch-brothers-founded Heritage Foundation and the Koch-brothers-founded Americans for Prosperity. Ergo, their “job-killing overregulation” message is merely coded language which actually means “profit-compromising regulations.”



And make no mistake about it, the type of regulations that are directly responsible for worker safety and environmental protection are just exactly what greed-centered individuals the likes of Charles and David Koch have in mind when they promote this “overregulation” pablum. It is simply that they are unable to say so. So they have used their billions to very effectively brainwash working class Republicans into supporting that which is not in their interest to support.



cortdb: "Otherwise, the shit he was making would have been made here, and safely. Regulation is fine. OVERREGULATION is a job killer.”

Well, prior to the mid-1980s, “the shit he was making” was manufactured here and with a high degree of safety. But, with the enormous help of the Reagan administration, U.S. corporations escaped the gains of American workers (relative to safety, pay and environmental protections) and moved their manufacturing capacity offshore where workers are far more easily exploited. So what is it, cortdb, that makes you think that “the shit he was making would have been made here, safely”? Oh yes, that’s right, Donald Trump’s evisceration of regulations will make American manufacturing jobs relatively safe, again. As an attorney who spent some twelve years representing a major American manufacturing firm (until my conscience got the better of me), I find your way of thinking to be quite humorous, cortdb.



cortdb: "Just like Hillary and her proclamation to kill coal. West Virginia and Kentucky sure loved her for that.”



As a Sanders and still later Stein supporter (having been a paid employee of the Sanders campaign), I am by no means a fan of Hillary Clinton. Nonetheless, what Clinton spoke of vis-a-vis the coal industry was our dire need to end the extraction of coal and all other fuel-related extractive industries. But leave it to the highly fettered corporate media to edit and present her words in such a way as to suggest that she simply wished to throw coal miners and their families to the streets. Only the most ignorant and partisan amongst us would believe that Hillary Clinton wanted to do such a thing as that. Try to be a bit more discerning, cortdb.



What she and other progressives have proposed is that we launch a Manhattan Project-like alternative energy program that would transition coal miners into working within the solar, wind and geothermal industries; technologies that are all but completely harmless to the environment and tremendously safer with respect to workers.



cortdb: "Of the 60,000 American [workers] you speak, 50,000 of those didn’t follow current regulations.” (sic)



And you gleaned that statistic from where, cortdb?



When I wrote something to the effect of “60,000 Americans die due to their jobs each year," I was referring to not simply those who are killed at their workplaces, but also to those who die as a result of industry-induced diseases. In point of fact, the majority of workers who suffer industry-related deaths do not die at the job site. They die largely as a result of the carcinogenic and other deadly chemicals that they are exposed to while on the job. It has little to nothing to do with “ignoring safety regulations,” cortdb. But leave it to a typically ill-informed right-winger to assert that it does.



cortdb: "So more regulations would solve that, right?"



Actually, simply enforcing existing regulations (those which are currently and largely ignored) would solve much of it. (I know these things because I once helped a corporation avoid such regulations.)


cortdb: "Just like banning firearms and ammunition sales in Chicago has really fixed the murder rate.”



In reality, one of the reasons behind Chicago’s high rate of gun violence are the extremely weak gun laws in effect within many of the states that surround Illinois - most especially Mike Pence’s Indiana (In essence, Chicagoans rate able to simple drive to one of the copious number of gun shops that operate within a very short distance of the Illinois/Indiana border and make someday gun and ammo purchases to their heart’s content. Now I know that Rush “forgot” to tell you that part, cortdb, but that is the case.)



cortdb: "You can not and will not ever regulate a human beings thinking and acting for themselves. No matter what asinine law you want to pass. Its not going to solve shit.”



Having grown up in Los Angeles during the 1960s, I well-recall the many smog alerts; the half-mile visibility; and the smog-induced soot, coughing and gagging. But, although all of that is still very much a part of life in, say, largely unregulated Beijing, China, we Angelenos no longer endure such things. Why do you suppose that is, cotdb? I’ll save you the bother of a response: it is because of laws/regulations - very stringent regulations, my friend!


So, yes, cortdb, laws do work to make life better. So stop playing the fool. Stop allowing yourself to be used by people who wish to profit from your misery. They are not your friends, and they are laughing at you. Hell, I’m all but certain that I have a lot more money than what you have. Yet still I know that I have nothing in common with the Kochs and people like them - the people who have brainwashed you.

To simplify my response to your well written, and brilliantly formed rebuttal. I will leave you with a few short things, in lack luster grammar and punctuation. Not because i'm uneducated, but because i don't want to spend 5 minutes typing and 5 proofreading just to look smart to someone.

First of all, i saw and heard Mrs Clinton say "We are going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business" It wasn't twisted or taken out of context.

Also, you are still blaming the guns and laws themselves for the murder rate in Chicago. Is it so hard to understand that only law abiding citizens obey laws? You should get that being a lawyer. Murder is the worst crime you can commit, and its illegal in all 50 states, but when you read about a gun crime being committed and hear people say "ban guns" and "thanks NRA" its a kneejerk reaction that doesn't solve any problem.
If someone is hellbent on destruction, making laws that hinder law abiding citizens from protecting themselves, their loved ones and personal property, does nothing but make it harder on people that obey the laws. You have to see that. But if you did, you wouldn't blame the lack of gun laws in states around illinois, on chicago's problem.Its a culture problem in Chicago, and its not a gun problem. They have the cops scared to do their job as well.
Criminals don't give a shit about a law. Plain and simple. If they had to get them smuggled across the border, they will get them. Just like drugs. Funny how that works out.

Just for the record, there were a little over 14000 workplace fatalities last year. If you would like to see mine fatalities, coal and otherwise, go to www.msha.gov It has a section called Fatalgrams that lists the accidents, and the cause. You will be hard pressed to find one where all current regulations were followed by the employee.

So we can agree on one thing, perhaps just enforcing the current regulations at work would save lives. But you have to ask at what cost.

At some point the employees have the ultimate decision and the liability lays on them in my opinion. Its not the governments job to keep them from smashing their thumb with a hammer. (would you blame that on the hammer?) And 25 safety meeting a day will not change the fact that someone is going to do it, until you have so many safety meeting that you have no time to actually do the job. Of course then someone would fall out of their chair and break a leg.(Would you blame that on the chair?)
You know as well as i do, not everyone wants to wear PPE, and you cant run a business if you have to have monitors 1 on 1 per employee making sure everyone does.

If you havent read about the New England Fisheries being forced to have government fishery monitors, and PAY FOR THEM , then perhaps you should. That, my friend, is over stepping and over regulation.
And your liberal way of thinking you're superior to everyone is why Trump got elected. I hope you do have more money than i do. You just had to throw that in there lol I havent been brainwashed by any Koch guy your talking about and i'm not familiar with him. I do not follow fox news, I don't use facebook. I havent been brainwashed by anybody, i am a free man, thinking on my own and can form clear and consistent thoughts without trying to downgrade or boost my self above anyone else. I am a man, that is all. I do not need others to think for me. I can read, I can understand statistics, and i fully understand root cause and effect. I suppose we will have to shake hands and agree to disagree on most things and I sincerely hope you have a good weekend.

[-NocturnalPulse-]

Originally Posted by Eddy Haskell ↗

Indeed they do. But it is all born of a near total lack of regulation, which is exactly where we are headed. "Thanks," Trump voters!

Yea, well, like, that's your opinion, man.

[juggernaut]

Would love to see the aftermath

[dlclotus]

And parts go flying.

[Eddy Haskell]

Originally Posted by Davis916 ↗

I fall to pieces. That is OK. There is a several million people to take his job. Who cares about safety when you have a billion people in your backwards country.

Indeed. And just think, once the Trump administration sees an end to reproductive rights, public education, the federal minimum wage, and all of those profit-ruffling regulations, err, I mean job-killing regulations, there will be several million people to take the job of each worker killed in this backward country. "Thanks," Trumpsters!