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Originally Posted by Meowlacy ↗

So you obviously believe this! . Nazi bullshit. Its true, they call black people white supremist so i can seevhow you are confused. What makes which source credible?

It's not about the source being right or left, it's about the consumer analyzing the information and reading and consuming several different types of info. Left, right, sideways, up down.

If you only watch left and you tend to point that way, then you will believe what you want to and not challenge the info.

I challenge all info especially obviously right or left media. I would call out right wing bullshit too, except there has not been any
presented in these threads, onn this topic yet.

I have by bias, I reconize this, and actively challenge my bias. You should try, it's invigorating.

You sound really stable.

[Meowlacy]

Dude. You are on a site with massive amounts of gore and violence. We all are somewhat un stable.

[Peppercorn8]

Originally Posted by Meowlacy ↗

Dude. You are on a site with massive amounts of gore and violence. We all are somewhat un stable.

Damn it!! You have a point!

[Meowlacy]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Nope, I read your post first and noticed the incoherent response which jumped all over the place + all the typos, meaning you were typing faster than you could think. Do you even know what my original post was about?

Maw, I'm not triggered sweetheart.


That's why people talk about both of those problems.

But they actually don't. Its about the guns as evident in this forum.
Those 2 are fundamentally intertwined. You can't separate them. It is basic logic to realize that shooting someone requires a gun, therefore, guns are part of the equation. It's stupid to pretend that it's "anything but guns", the way conservative nutjobs do, every time there is a mass shooting. The logic is clear. Combine guns with poverty, desperation, gangs and drugs....and you will get rampant gun violence. Nothing complicated about it. The easier it is to get a gun, the more deaths you will have.



They wouldn't. Why should they care?
Most politicians who are allowed to get away with atrocities, theft and other crimes will do those things. Dictators will kill hundreds of thousands if it's convenient, and so do democratically elected politicians through other ... more hidden means.
It's the people who should care and vote those politicians out. But that's the shitty thing about the binary "cult like" politics of the US...people don't care. They knowingly approve laws that harm them and ignore blatant corruption because they are just stupid.
You are one such example. I would expect you to know better and not to start defending guns automatically...but you do exactly that. You know that guns kill people...you have a personal experience of it...and still... it's anything but guns.

Really?. Where did I say that people should own guns? I never stated my opinion on that. It seems you like to assume things. Guns shouldn't be easy to get and not everyone should have them. No shit. Obviously. In the US it is not feasible to ban all guns or impose extremely strick laws because there is so many guns already. There needs to be a way to ensure the most safety without infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens. Or you'll be left with the criminals having the guns. [/B]




Really? That is what you have a problem with?
I left out that scenario because it was irrelevant and again, its not my job to write down any gun violence permutation and combination you can imagine.
I also didn't mention Mexican on Mexican violence. Or white on Mexican...or native american on Chinese.
Your whole point was that when black people are the victims...then no one talks about it, but when the victims are white, then everybody raises the alarm. Now you are saying that when a black guy kills white people it is not talked about...and its covered up? What the effing fuck :D ?

My main issues was with the ridiculous claim that white and black and in between get the same treatment lol. However I do notvexpect much because you believe the selected media available in in your country in the US
I lived there
Democrats only care about black people or POC when it suits their narrative. Which is full on bullshit because they say nothing and do nothing for the young black people dying in Chicago from gun violence. MLK said, "The worst ememy of the ***** is the white liberal. He was right! However, if a white petson commits a crime against a POC, they are racist and deemed so by msm and left politicians, often with no evidence of racism at all. There will be riots in the streets for " no justice no peace". Effectively making the justice system press charges due to political influence. The other way, a black man can assult a police officer, threaten to kill them, grab their tazor or gun and when the police shoot them, they are racist. Or a white man defends himself from a POC and yup, racist and charge him with the highest offence. Black man assults a white man and it's obvious racism, "he was a goid boy on hisvway to Dr school. He didnt mean it when he called him a white devil cracker right before he beat his face in. It because of "whitness" or someother stupid fucking shit. Perhaps the media you consume in your country foesnt report on that? Thats what i have the problem with. Any questions? Feel free and try not to make assumptions. [/B]


There is no narrative. It shouldn't be boring...but it is...because it has been normalized. Thats it. It's that simple. If something happens every day...then it stops being the news. At best, such gang violence breaks local news and thats it.



This...here, again, is the problem. You automatically default to binary thinking. Why cant people just think analog, like they used to. Why should be ban all the guns, all the time? Is that what Democrats want to do? Is that what has been done in all the other countries in the world? No...and you know better.
You just follow your narrative. Yes...you have a narrative. It's a conservative NRA propaganda that has been spoon-fed to Americans for decades.
"they are gona take all your guns, police isnt gona help you, our military is actually our enemy and only the people with AR's in their kitchen can save the country"

[B]Here is the problem. You think you are smarter because i make spelling mistakes. Which is comical in the era of spell correct. Then you make assumptions. Do you know what I actual posted? I call out the shit on both sides. However, it seems the majority of the shit on this particular thread is of the left variety. Hence more shit calling. Understand? There are exreem people claiming they need guns to protect themself because the "police won"t" and strapping themselfs up. There is also extreem people suggesting total gun bans. Do you get all sides of the topic with the usual media you consume ?/B]


Ehm...how about the "highly restricted" part?
Like I said before, if guns are rare and heavily regulated, then it's not normal to carry a gun and when someone sees a gun...they report it...just in case. Then, cops will pay you a visit and check your license. Also, with strict gun laws, thorough background checks are made, which raises red flags if someone with a suspicious past tries to get one. Mental evaluation will reduce the chance of crazy people getting guns. A mandatory cooldown period reduces gun suicides and crimes of passion. If you have a gun with you at all times, and you get a call from your wife that she took the kids and left you...then ... at that moment, you are far more likely to pick up the gun and shoot yourself. Having an easy way to kill either yourself or someone else, without any cooldown period is a recipe for disaster.
Another important thing is that when gun laws are strict, and guns arent sold in bulk, then they become much more expensive. Who can't afford a gun? A broke wannabe gangsta.
These are basic, simple and logical things anyone should understand. It shouldn't even be up for debate.

Yes they are logical only if the the strict gun laws apply to the individual who can obtain a gun who is suffering with mental illness etc. They do nothing for the criminal who doesn’t care about any laws. However there is also a point to aknowledge these laws may reduce ease of access by making less available. However someone wishing to do something so extreem can probably find illegal guns in an illegal way. They want to and will shoot children. They will find a way. So whats your solution to that?

Your problem is that you want some kind of binary solution. If the gun regulation doesn't prevent 100% of the deaths, then we should have no regulation at all.
Such thinking is just plain wrong. Every step that you add between the crazy/desperate/sick/criminal people having a gun will prevent some deaths. It's a numbers game.

No. thats not my "binary thinking" That's completely stupid!
There should be gun laws and not everone should own a gun. I never said there should be no gun laws at all. There with the assumtions again. Or purposely misrepresented statement.


Yeah...because the gun laws in the US allow almost everyone to get a gun and not just that, the US already has hundreds of millions of privately owned guns.
What if that number was just...a million...or zero? Just a hypothetical scenario.
Would your brother be dead if there were no guns in the US at all?

No. Check your facts and stop listening to the info about the US your media tells you.
It's not as easy as your media will have you believe. Just like abortion and other issues, it varies by state. My brother would be alive if there wasnt a caustic culture of violence and glorified gang life. If the person who shot him was taught that human life matters and its not all the white man's fault. And a mother and father that didn't alsobthink like that!

[Meowlacy]

Logged me out and bolding didn't come through on my last post.

[Nofreakinwaydude]

Your guy's long winded replies is extremely exhausting. Fight over some bullshit opinion if you want, but it only makes you all look like a bunch of damn toddlers.

Grow up

[bball0816]

Tragic.

[OmniJackal]

If he’d used a car there wouldn’t be so much political bullshit in here.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Meowlacy ↗

Where did I say that people should own guns?

Arguing against gun control puts guns into people's hands. It's that simple. If you are in favor of stricter gun control then I'm not sure what are you arguing here against?

My point was that conservative policies are the root cause of gun violence and many other problems in the US. Democrats/liberals may have their problems...sure, but they are the only ones doing at least something to solve the problem. Conservatives only try to exacerbate the problems.

There needs to be a way to ensure the most safety without infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens. Or you'll be left with the criminals having the guns.

Strict gun laws do just that. And again, you use the NRA propaganda phrase "only criminals will have the guns".
No. Law-abiding citizens will also have guns if they want to. Just like in all other countries.
Also, Criminals wouldn't have guns...only some of them would. A few of them. The vast majority of criminals in the rest of the world don't have guns. Noone is giving away guns for free. A criminal still needs to buy one, and it costs money that broke gangstas don't have. And if they try to get one, they raise some red flags which gives opportunity for the police to intercept them.
There is also a psychological aspect to all this. If most criminals have guns, then most criminals will try to get a gun ,because without it, they are literally outgunned. In countries where guns are not widespread, criminals don't feel such a desperate need to get access to guns. This also changes how the police solves the situation.
If you live in a country where guns are everywhere, you can't take any risks anymore. That's why police uses deadly force so often in the US. If someone is sitting in a car and reaches their hand over to the other seat...cops in the US may open fire for that. In my country, that would be unthinkable.

My main issue was with the ridiculous claim that white and black and in between get the same treatment lol. However, I do not expect much because you believe the selected media available in your country in the US

First, when did I claim that black/white get the same treatment? And the same treatment from whom? Cops?
The only thing I said about that black/white divide was that media shows black mass shooters the same way as they show white mass shooters. And it's true.
Have a black guy walk into a mall and kill...people of all the races...and it will be the front page news....just as when a white guy does that. Noone is gona cover it up.

Democrats only care about black people or POC when it suits their narrative

Fine...now what? Conservatives don't care about black people at all. Is that better?
If you have a choice of supporting policies that improve minority lives in some ways VS supporting policies that harm minority lives in some ways...which would you prefer?
Democrats/liberals are still the only decent choice in the US. Yeah, it sad that the politics in the US is binary and they have no centrist parties. You just have to work with what you've got.

There is also extreem people suggesting total gun bans.

Care to share some democrats who tried to propose total gun ban bills?
I don't think anyone is even remotely hoping to push such a bill through.

Do you get all sides of the topic with the usual media you consume?

Like I said, I'm not an American, so I have no bias in any way. I have no personal stake in US politics, so, unlike you, I can observe the US politics from aside and remain as objective as possible. I'm also much more protected from the political propaganda that is rampant in the US. So, in summary, there is no "usual media" that I consume.
I use apps like "Ground News" which summarizes dozens of sources onto 1 page. I countless channels on YouTube as a source. I read tens of different news sites etc.
Watching news here isn't like it is in the US, where you have 1 source...owned by one mega-corporation ( like the fox news and its parents/siblings ).

They do nothing for the criminal who doesn’t care about any laws.
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However someone wishing to do something so extreem can probably find illegal guns in an illegal way. They want to and will shoot children. They will find a way. So whats your solution to that?

What's my solution to that?
Does there need to be a solution?
Again, you want a total binary solution. If gun control doesn't solve all the problems and result in 100% reduction in gun deaths then it's all for nothing, and not worth pursuing.

I already said it before, and i'll say it again. It's a numbers game. Every step you add between someone getting a gun will reduce gun-related deaths. It's that simple. Every step.
If someone wants to shoot children...then perhaps they can. But...can anyone who wants to shoot children do that? Just look at the recent mass shootings in schools where children were the ones doing the shooting. With strict gun laws, those kids would not have had AR's to carry out their crimes. Most of the shooters would have been too big pussies to roam the streets, back alleys and drug dens to find someone to buy an AR from. And again, at every step, cops would have had an opportunity to intercept them. Its a game of numbers. Introduce a mandatory waiting period of a few months with a psych evaluation and the gun deaths would go down by a few thousand. Require regular training to maintain a gun license...and you reduce the number of gun deaths by a few thousand more. Reduce the allowed amount of ammunition and the number goes down further. Yes, you may still have 20 000 gun-related deaths, but it wouldn't be 50 000. And, once you get the gun deaths down by half, you may ask yourself...could my brother have been among that 50% that survived now, thanks to the regulations?

[connor]

Those dudes could have rammed him with the car but they chose to run......