[Meowlacy]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Because they are. It's a fact.


No, pointing out problems is a good thing.

It is, but you can not completly lrave out the ptoblems of both sides, like you did for the democrats. You full on blammed conservatives for all the ills of the county.


Going on about "states with lax gun laws" is a good thing.
And how are they "completely ignoring" the gun violence in Chicago?

gunwhen was the last time you heard any Democrat speak about or feign outrage about the 179 deaths from gun violence there since 2023. Mote or close to visctims of mass shootings? /B]

Also, gun laws must be strict in the whole country. This crap about 1 city/state having slightly stricter gun laws doesn't cut the cake.

Which mass shooting in Chicago did they approve?
How many black mass shooters did they pardon because they were black and they didn't care?

They didnt approve shit because they say nothing. Oh, there is nothing said about black mass shooters. Gang gun violence is not included in the "mass shooting" definition
Even if morevthan 4 peoplevare gunned down.


At home, like the conservatives. Where else are they supposed to be?


The funny thing is...in this argument, you are the one who is using the blood of the children to push a political point.

Nice try. I'm mentioning the FORGOTTEN CHILDREN WHO DIE EVERYDAY AND NO ONE SPEAKS ABOUT. IN CHICAGO. Bothe drmocrats and conservatives.

If you want to say that democrats/liberals don't care about black-on-black gun violence, then show me a law or legislation that they are proposing( a gun law ) that allows black people to carry a gun/AR rifles etc, and shoot at will, and stricts white people of doing the same. You do understand, that the gun laws proposed by Democrats apply to everyone...right?

Well there are gun laws in Chicago that obviously do not work. Nothing is said because that goes against their political point about gun laws doesnt it? I do think laws and rules shoukd apply to anyone regardless of race. It seems the standards are blurred when the criminal is white.

Everything you said in your post is a standard conservative propaganda point and it's not unique. It's not your thought. It's not your argument. You didn't come up with that statement. Its just one small part of a bigger propaganda.
oh thats cute. Im not a conservative. I am American but i live in Canada. Also, i am not white. My parents didnt want me growing up and having the same fate as my brother, who was killed by gun Violence, guess where? So they wirked and worked and immigrated to Canada, legally.

What you just said about "conservative propaganda " was the go to Democrat deflect when presented with points they don't like. So that's fucking hilarious.

Also, if you haven't figured this out yet, I don't live in the US. I live in a country where we don't have binary politics. Most parties have mixed ideologies here and can be considered to be a middle ground. US politics in general are stupid for that very reason...that it is so divisive. I live on the outside and can see objectively, without having any personal bias or stake in the elections/parties that democrats/liberals are far better for the US than conservatives. Whatever mistakes they have....they are an order of magnitude better than conservatives. Almost everything the conservatives do is harmful for the US as a whole.

Well you are entitled to your opinion. Hopefully it stays that way where ever you live. I no longer live in the US , but I have, so until you actually live there, your opinion is only constructed by the bullshit propaganda media you consume.

[Meowlacy]

Originally Posted by cannonreload ↗

Sure it's "left wing misinformation", son............suuure.

So you obviously believe this! . Nazi bullshit. Its true, they call black people white supremist so i can seevhow you are confused. What makes which source credible?

It's not about the source being right or left, it's about the consumer analyzing the information and reading and consuming several different types of info. Left, right, sideways, up down.

If you only watch left and you tend to point that way, then you will believe what you want to and not challenge the info.

I challenge all info especially obviously right or left media. I would call out right wing bullshit too, except there has not been any
presented in these threads, onn this topic yet.

I have by bias, I reconize this, and actively challenge my bias. You should try, it's invigorating.

[scorpion9]

First, I can see you got triggered by something and this keeps you from seeing things from an objective point of view. You should take the time to write an answer. I can see from the spelling mistakes that you wrote that in a triggered state.

Originally Posted by Meowlacy ↗

It is, but you can not completely leave out the problems of both sides like you did for the Democrats. You full-on blamed conservatives for all the ills of the county.

Which problems of Democrats did I leave out?
The topic of this thread is gun control. Democrats are in favor of gun control, conservatives are strictly against it. Therefore, the problem is with conservatism. It's a fact. All political parties have problems. We aren't gonna discuss about welfare issues, border policies, foreign policy and so on if the topic is gun control. When it comes to gun control, democrats/liberals are in favor of it, conservatives are against it. Thats it. It's that simple.

gunwhen was the last time you heard any Democrat speak about or feign outrage about the 179

Why 179 ?
Why haven't Democrats spoken out about 45000 gun deaths instead? Or why not 550?
Pick a number.
Gun laws that Democrats want to pass envelop all the gun crimes, all the numbers...all the races etc.
Individual shootings don't break the international news threshold. It's that simple. Have a white guy walk into a supermarket and gun down 10-20 black civilians and its going be the front page news. Make that guy black ... and all the victims black children...and it's still gonna be front page news.
Your example of drive-by shootings and gang violence doesn't break any news thresholds anymore, because it has become normalized and is by today's standards, simply boring.

Well there are gun laws in Chicago that obviously do not work.

And i already told you that gun laws need to be uniform...enforced on a federal state. You cant have 1 city have slightly stricter gun laws and expect it to work. The entire US is pumped full of guns and if you can't get a gun from Chicago that easily, you can just take a short drive into the next city/state.

Well you are entitled to your opinion. Hopefully, it stays that way where ever you live.

Interesting how you want my opinion to stay where it is...if US enforced my policies and i got my way, then your brother would still be alive. But i guess NRA and binary politics are more important.
PS: Canada has strict gun laws, good welfare and ... not that much gang violence and mass shootings. Its almost as if there is a connection between guns and gun violence. Hmm, what could that connection be?

[Meowlacy]

Originally Posted by Royal_Madnessty ↗

I'm not an US citizen and have nothing to do with the goddamn obsession over democrats, republicans and the second amendment. Makes it annoying to read and follow threads like this. But like you said, best thing to do is to deal with it

It is annoying. I no longer live in the US but I did. My parents worked hard and moved to Canada, legally after my brother was shot in Chicago, at a convenience store with 6 of his friends. In this case they really were inocent non criminal black kids doing nothing wrong. They were the wrong target. It is different when you live it.

I've enjoyed the different safer culture in Canada where most people own guns for sport and hunting. However, fucking ding dong douche Trudeau now wants to take those guns away when there isn't even a major gun violence problem here. Shadowing the asshole democrats in the US.

This is the problem. If conservatives or whoever you want to call them, give in even a little bit, then eventually the democrats will take it further and try and make no guns at all. So conservatives dig their heals in. There is no collaboration or common goal. Only exerting their political agenda.

Just like the cunt Trudeau is trying to do. In his case he's a disattached virtue cunt.

[v1r]

Originally Posted by Royal_Madnessty ↗

I'm not an US citizen and have nothing to do with the goddamn obsession over democrats, republicans and the second amendment. Makes it annoying to read and follow threads like this. But like you said, best thing to do is to deal with it

Same. Scandinavian.

[Ianforheisman]

Americans don’t care about shit unless it happens to them directly.. 7000 kids die in some coordinated school shooting, oh dang that sucks thoughts and prayers is all you’ll get.

[flailingmeatmech]

there's really no point in arguing with gun fetishists about how more guns will fix the mass shooting problem. they're delusional, their kink is pretending they'd be the good guy with a gun. the fantasy will die with them when some dude who's seen too many libsoftiktok videos decides shooting up a mall is the best way to fight against drag queens. we definitely could do something like australia or isreal or any other country with higher gun ownership, where you literally have to know what you're doing and be sane to own one. but until we don't have NRA puppets in every level of government that's just a fantasy.

[Meowlacy]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

First, I can see you got triggered by something and this keeps you from seeing things from an objective point of view. You should take the time to write an answer. I can see from the spelling mistakes that you wrote that in a triggered state.

I can see you default to "triggered" almost immediately.
Yes. I have large fingers on a small phone and I'm typing while doing 10 other things. I am a nurse so I am hardly stupid but I'll assume you were not attempting to question my intelligence to discredit my posts. If triggered you mean my brother is dead from gun violence and the only thing talked about is the guns and not the victims and perpretrators? Correction. The only thing talked about is guns in mass shooting where the victims and the perpretrators are usually white. Then i guess i am "triggered". It is perfectly fine to speak about gun laws but it's irresponsible and stupid and by design not to speak of the people who chose guns to kill people. I am concerned for lives. Not gun laws directly. And there have been 179 gun deaths in chicagoin 2023, far more than mass shooting victims.That's the point. But little conversations about that. Why do you think that is?


Which problems of Democrats did I leave out?
The topic of this thread is gun control. Democrats are in favor of gun control, conservatives are strictly against it. Therefore, the problem is with conservatism. It's a fact. All political parties have problems. We aren't gonna discuss about welfare issues, border policies, foreign policy and so on if the topic is gun control. When it comes to gun control, democrats/liberals are in favor of it, conservatives are against it. Thats it. It's that simple.

I was not refering to you leaving anything out, its the media and politicians.


Why 179 ?
Why haven't Democrats spoken out about 45000 gun deaths instead? Or why not 550?
Pick a number.

The number was to represent how many people dead and its a fact, thats why. And nore than mass shooting in 2023. A perfect example that politicians give no fucks really about aby of it.nits too keep power. They will always be safe with their ARMED SECURITY andcgayed communities so why would they care?

Gun laws that Democrats want to pass envelop all the gun crimes, all the numbers...all the races etc.
Individual shootings don't break the international news threshold. It's that simple. Have a white guy walk into a supermarket and gun down 10-20 black civilians and its going be the front page news. Make that guy black ... and all the victims black children...and it's still gonna be front page news.

This is a crock of stinking bullshit and its hard to take you seriously. You left out a black man shooting white people during a racist rage. This is never talked about and coveted up. Is that what you just did by not mentioning this part of the topic?

Your example of drive-by shootings and gang violence doesn't break any news thresholds anymore, because it has become normalized and is by today's standards, simply boring.

[B]Yes. And its also the racial demographics as well. It should not be boring. Yet it is. Because it doesnt fit the narrative.
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And i already told you that gun laws need to be uniform...enforced on a federal state. You cant have 1 city have slightly stricter gun laws and expect it to work. The entire US is pumped full of guns and if you can't get a gun from Chicago that easily, you can just take a short drive into the next city/state.

B] That's a good point. So what? Ban all guns all the time? What prevents them from getting a highly restricted gun from another state? Or robbing the legal guns?
i agree is should be harder but only see it as a time saver. Because at the end of the day, no matter how much you restrict guns, they ALWAYS have a person that needs to pull the trigger.



Interesting how you want my opinion to stay where it is...if US enforced my policies and i got my way, then your brother would still be alive. But i guess NRA and binary politics are more important.
PS: Canada has strict gun laws, good welfare and ... not that much gang violence and mass shootings. Its almost as if there is a connection between guns and gun violence. Hmm, what could that connection be?

The NRA is advocating for the rights of criminals to carry guns. So that point is moot. My brother shouldn't be dead. And his life should matter too. Yes. And there is a person who activates those guns. Hmmm, i wonder what the connection would be? Restrict the laws all you want, but the people using them this way need a very focused assessment. The gun laws didn't prevent my brother's murder. I'm so sure that the pig that killed him really though about the gun laws in their state. Most can't read.

The difference with Canada is that there isn't huge populations with glorified violence and cultural deficits. Black and white. Bit there is guns in Canada. Guns that a sick person could use in a mass shooting, but don't. Could it be because of the person? Welfare does not equally good. People need it and most don't but it can't be reduced or taken away now. And thanks for the info, I've lived in both countries. Have you?

I have no interest in changing your opinion. I simply challenged you to change your own mind. However it would include more than propagandist media sources.

[OmniJackal]

God I hate redditors

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Meowlacy ↗

I can see you default to "triggered" almost immediately.

Nope, I read your post first and noticed the incoherent response which jumped all over the place + all the typos, meaning you were typing faster than you could think. Do you even know what my original post was about?

It is perfectly fine to speak about gun laws but it's irresponsible and stupid and by design not to speak of the people who chose guns to kill people

That's why people talk about both of those problems.

I am concerned for lives. Not gun laws directly.

Those 2 are fundamentally intertwined. You can't separate them. It is basic logic to realize that shooting someone requires a gun, therefore, guns are part of the equation. It's stupid to pretend that it's "anything but guns", the way conservative nutjobs do, every time there is a mass shooting. The logic is clear. Combine guns with poverty, desperation, gangs and drugs....and you will get rampant gun violence. Nothing complicated about it. The easier it is to get a gun, the more deaths you will have.

A perfect example that politicians give no fucks really about any of it.[...]They will always be safe with their ARMED SECURITY and gated communities so why would they care?

They wouldn't. Why should they care?
Most politicians who are allowed to get away with atrocities, theft and other crimes will do those things. Dictators will kill hundreds of thousands if it's convenient, and so do democratically elected politicians through other ... more hidden means.
It's the people who should care and vote those politicians out. But that's the shitty thing about the binary "cult like" politics of the US...people don't care. They knowingly approve laws that harm them and ignore blatant corruption because they are just stupid.
You are one such example. I would expect you to know better and not to start defending guns automatically...but you do exactly that. You know that guns kill people...you have a personal experience of it...and still... it's anything but guns.

This is a crock of stinking bullshit and its hard to take you seriously. You left out a black man shooting white people during a racist rage. This is never talked about and covered up. Is that what you just did by not mentioning this part of the topic?

Really? That is what you have a problem with?
I left out that scenario because it was irrelevant and again, its not my job to write down any gun violence permutation and combination you can imagine.
I also didn't mention Mexican on Mexican violence. Or white on Mexican...or native american on Chinese.
Your whole point was that when black people are the victims...then no one talks about it, but when the victims are white, then everybody raises the alarm. Now you are saying that when a black guy kills white people it is not talked about...and its covered up? What the effing fuck :D ?

It should not be boring. Yet it is. Because it doesn't fit the narrative.

There is no narrative. It shouldn't be boring...but it is...because it has been normalized. Thats it. It's that simple. If something happens every day...then it stops being the news. At best, such gang violence breaks local news and thats it.

That's a good point. So what? Ban all guns all the time?

This...here, again, is the problem. You automatically default to binary thinking. Why cant people just think analog, like they used to. Why should be ban all the guns, all the time? Is that what Democrats want to do? Is that what has been done in all the other countries in the world? No...and you know better.
You just follow your narrative. Yes...you have a narrative. It's a conservative NRA propaganda that has been spoon-fed to Americans for decades.
"they are gona take all your guns, police isnt gona help you, our military is actually our enemy and only the people with AR's in their kitchen can save the country"

What prevents them from getting a highly restricted gun from another state?

Ehm...how about the "highly restricted" part?
Like I said before, if guns are rare and heavily regulated, then it's not normal to carry a gun and when someone sees a gun...they report it...just in case. Then, cops will pay you a visit and check your license. Also, with strict gun laws, thorough background checks are made, which raises red flags if someone with a suspicious past tries to get one. Mental evaluation will reduce the chance of crazy people getting guns. A mandatory cooldown period reduces gun suicides and crimes of passion. If you have a gun with you at all times, and you get a call from your wife that she took the kids and left you...then ... at that moment, you are far more likely to pick up the gun and shoot yourself. Having an easy way to kill either yourself or someone else, without any cooldown period is a recipe for disaster.
Another important thing is that when gun laws are strict, and guns arent sold in bulk, then they become much more expensive. Who can't afford a gun? A broke wannabe gangsta.
These are basic, simple and logical things anyone should understand. It shouldn't even be up for debate.

Your problem is that you want some kind of binary solution. If the gun regulation doesn't prevent 100% of the deaths, then we should have no regulation at all.
Such thinking is just plain wrong. Every step that you add between the crazy/desperate/sick/criminal people having a gun will prevent some deaths. It's a numbers game.

The gun laws didn't prevent my brother's murder.

Yeah...because the gun laws in the US allow almost everyone to get a gun and not just that, the US already has hundreds of millions of privately owned guns.
What if that number was just...a million...or zero? Just a hypothetical scenario.
Would your brother be dead if there were no guns in the US at all?