[DK06]

Couple of things (from an Aussie).
Not arguing. Just an observation.

- The USA have their constitution or whatever, that says you have the right to bear arms. There is focus on this regarding a resistance to gun laws changing yeah?
Doesn't this also state the right to practice their religion? Those saying 'get rid of the muslims' but argue it's your right to bear arms, surely you can pick and choose which ones u want to actually apply right?

And where does it stop? If they can stop one religion practicing, why not others?

There's approx 4.5m muslims in America (according randomly in google). Even if 500k are terrorists, 4m are not? You can surely want to kick them all out?

I also wonder if when Trump is elected, there may be more Islamn terrorists attacks in USA, because the party views on Islam?


Australia arguments occurring:
A mass killing is defined as 4 or more people being killed. We have had 3 random attacks since gun laws brought in, one was a car in a mall, knife at a shopping centre and ONE random shooting (4 killed) .

The others were usually family or DV- alot of stabbings, arson.

2 mass shooting since were DV:
-killed wife and 2 kids and himself
-grandfather killed daughters, grannies and wife

We have rights and freedoms so unsure where someone got that idea ������������*♀️ We also can own guns. With a license and locked up accordingly. There is a limit to what we can own but we still can own them. Fair few of my mates do out on stations.

If we are invaded, we have an army and army reserves etc. who do have guns. We are signed up with US and UK etc. We protect and go to war with them, and they do the same with us. I doubt myself owning a firearm is going to help in an invasion ������

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

We Christians know not to follow Old Testament guidelines on punishment, slavery and the rights of women. Our religion allows us to say that's a load of old crap, in fact Jesus encouraged people to disobey those ancient mandates and instead listen to their hearts.

Well, that is debatable. According to Jesus's character, the old law remains and must be followed( with the slavery and all the other goodies )

Matthew 5:17
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

And in another book he says

John 14:
If you love me, keep my commands.

But, even if Christians want to go with the "well, the old book was total shit and only a violent psychopath would come up with crazy shit like that" then you must ask yourself, why did the most intelligent, benevolent being ever even come up with such a shitty book in the first place? Its almost like an all powerful, all knowing creator of everything couldn't foresee that slavery, murder and other stuff like that is kind of wrong and he would end up having to send out a bug-fix in the next chapter.

The reality is that if you start throwing out chapters and entire books because you disagree with it, then you should throw away the whole thing and come up with something better yourself. Its not difficult.

[pokerplay]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Well, that is debatable. According to Jesus's character, the old law remains and must be followed( with the slavery and all the other goodies )


And in another book he says


But, even if Christians want to go with the "well, the old book was total shit and only a violent psychopath would come up with crazy shit like that" then you must ask yourself, why did the most intelligent, benevolent being ever even come up with such a shitty book in the first place? Its almost like an all powerful, all knowing creator of everything couldn't foresee that slavery, murder and other stuff like that is kind of wrong and he would end up having to send out a bug-fix in the next chapter.

The reality is that if you start throwing out chapters and entire books because you disagree with it, then you should throw away the whole thing and come up with something better yourself. Its not difficult.

Agree, toss the nonsense in the bin and face reality on its own evidence backed terms.

[TheCruxofBag]

Two extra vids.

[flippindocks]

I know we all come here to see stuff like this... but it is genuinely sad. Life is hard enough when everything is perfect. Lord please watch over us and protect us.

[SineadOConnor]

Originally Posted by chechnya ↗

https://internationalsecurityjournal...-in-the-world/

1. Muslim
2. Muslim
3. Muslim
4. Christian
5. Christian
6. Christian
7. Christian
8. Muslim
9. Muslim
10. Muslim
11. Muslim
12. Christian
13. Christian
14. Muslim
15. Not religious

On the face of it, it looks evenly distributed but some of the Christian countries have Islamic insurgency which makes it more dangerous. Not because it's a Christian nation. Ukraine is on there because Russia.

All of the Christian countries listed except Ukraine are dangerous because of Islamic jihad.

[Oatsi69]

Originally Posted by DK06 ↗

Couple of things (from an Aussie).
Not arguing. Just an observation.

- The USA have their constitution or whatever, that says you have the right to bear arms. There is focus on this regarding a resistance to gun laws changing yeah?
Doesn't this also state the right to practice their religion? Those saying 'get rid of the muslims' but argue it's your right to bear arms, surely you can pick and choose which ones u want to actually apply right?

And where does it stop? If they can stop one religion practicing, why not others?

There's approx 4.5m muslims in America (according randomly in google). Even if 500k are terrorists, 4m are not? You can surely want to kick them all out?

I also wonder if when Trump is elected, there may be more Islamn terrorists attacks in USA, because the party views on Islam?


Australia arguments occurring:
A mass killing is defined as 4 or more people being killed. We have had 3 random attacks since gun laws brought in, one was a car in a mall, knife at a shopping centre and ONE random shooting (4 killed) .

The others were usually family or DV- alot of stabbings, arson.

2 mass shooting since were DV:
-killed wife and 2 kids and himself
-grandfather killed daughters, grannies and wife

We have rights and freedoms so unsure where someone got that idea ������������*♀️ We also can own guns. With a license and locked up accordingly. There is a limit to what we can own but we still can own them. Fair few of my mates do out on stations.

If we are invaded, we have an army and army reserves etc. who do have guns. We are signed up with US and UK etc. We protect and go to war with them, and they do the same with us. I doubt myself owning a firearm is going to help in an invasion ������

Didn't read a word after your wrote:

..."The USA have their constitution or whatever,...."

You clearly don't understand what any of the constitution means and therefore any argument you make regarding the U.S. is spoken through a filter of ignorance. Ironically....if it wasn't for that "constitution or whatever", this site would likely no event exist. I'm pretty sure Chris could explain to you how important the first amendment of that silly Constitution is. Again, I don't care how you want to live wherever you are..you do you... Hell if they're not stepping on your neck enough in Australia, try North Korea. Maybe you'll like the way they govern you there... Won't have to worry about any silly Constitution that's for sure. But in the meantime, keep your opinions about United States to your fucking self... Or spew them, who cares? You simply don't matter either way.

[SineadOConnor]

Originally Posted by Ahura Mazda ↗

You can't ban a political party either. The Free Assembly clause of the First Amendment also protects free association. You can peaceably assemble for any purpose (Politics, faith, hobbies, interests, pleasure). The Government in the 50's tried to ban the Communist Party and lost a SCOTUS case on this very point.

And you can't just declare a religion to not be a religion. There's laws there too. But I've gathered from your posts that you're not the "law and order" type.

Obviously I was speaking off the cuff after seeing the video and getting irritated by all the disingenuous commentary of him being just a regular old Texan veteran Trump voter. This has all the hallmarks of a planned Islamic terror attack. I don’t give a shit about what anyone believes about Islam. It’s got a body count as big as Marxism. If you want to pretend that the framers of the Constitution would put up with this, go ahead. You’re flat wrong.

[joekin161]

lol

[Dodecahedron]

Originally Posted by spycosis ↗

Yeah that is true. The vast majority of people don't go to extremes, but we have to be realistic and accept that extremism is far more prevalent in Islam than any other religion at the moment.

As Christopher Hitchens pointed out, a religion that is 1200 years old and is unreformed can be a very dangerous thing. Christianity was brutal when it was at that age. It had to be reformed for us to break free and allow us to become more civilized.

I worry that Islam can not make this essential step because it prohibits reformation. The Quran is unalterable because Muslims believe these are the exact words from God as delivered by the angel Gabriel to Mohammed.

We Christians know not to follow Old Testament guidelines on punishment, slavery and the rights of women. Our religion allows us to say that's a load of old crap, in fact Jesus encouraged people to disobey those ancient mandates and instead listen to their hearts.

The Quran is pretty much the Old Testament chopped up and reordered in parts, in other parts it is a direct copy, word for word. And this is used as a guide. It's not a good thing. We learned that lesson in our religion, Islam needs to make that step also. In my humble opinion. But can it?

What the fuck is this bollocks?? Conveniently forgetting the shit done under Christian religion. The fucking cults and money laundering mega churches, and the state of Catholicism historically everywhere.

And where does your analogy of “reformed texts” leave Judaism?