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04-16-2020, 04:37 AM
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Re: Russia - Raging Fire Traps Man on His Balcony
Hi everyone, i'm a firefighter myself and i have to defend the russian colleagues in this video. To me it looks like that they arrive at the scene as soon as the video starts. At that time the life of the poor man was already doomed, and no ladder could have saved him. A lot of people underestimate the heat that comes from such a big fire. Sure, firefighters have protective clothing, but even with those you can't just walk through fire. It protects you from the heat, at least until a certain point. Secondly, when you arrive at a place on fire you still need a few minutes to install yourself, to recognize the situation, to roll out the hoses and to find a water source. This happens really fast, but it still adds up to 5 minutes sometimes. And considering the man was already on fire when the firefighters arrived, pretty much nothing could have been done. |
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04-16-2020, 06:23 PM
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Re: Russia - Raging Fire Traps Man on His Balcony
We preconnect hoses in the U.S. for just such a reason, faster deployment. Granted, it takes practice pulling a triple layed 1 3/4 crosslayed preconnect so there are videos of guys screwing the pooch doing it. But it doesn't take near that much practice, like an hour or two, including reload times. I don't know much about Russian fire equipment. I don't know if those trucks carry a booster tank. If they didn't carry any water at all, the added time of connecting to a hydrant adds to it. It doesn't take much water to stop the combustion, but it takes a lot of time, water, and vertical ventilation to cool it off to the point it still doesn't cook him like he is on a bbq grill. I almost thought there was a crew attacking it from the other side when you see what looks like a hose stream pushing out from inside. The more I watch it I think it is just something popping off near the patio door. Interesting to see fire in what appears to be a well sealed concrete shell. It doesn't take much water to stop the fire itself. Every gallon of water turns into 1600 cubic square feet of steam. (1600 to 1 steam to liquid water ratio.) But the more water he dumps in, the harder the steam pushes out. They knocked the fire out, but that concrete shell contained a lot of thermal energy that needed to be cooled off. That is why that steam continues to push out like a boiler. He was done for when the video started. This is a clear video for euthanasia. Just shoot the guy in the head and put him out of his misery. Even if they got him seconds after the video started, he is already looking at 3rd degree burns on more than half his body, that turns into 4th degree as the video goes on. He may still be moving but that doesn't make it survivable. I agree with those thinking he was drunk. He wasn't acting rationally. I half expected to see blue flames come off him as the alcohol burned off. Poor guy. What should scare all of us is the thermal load carried in modern materials. Firemen in the 50s and 60s would go in fires with no SCBA. The smoke wasn't as hot or as toxic because things like beds and couches were made from natural materials like wood and cotton. Now so much is polyester and plastic, whichever all petroleum products. They have exponentially more thermal energy than natural materials. It gets hotter faster and longer. Because it gets hotter faster it flashes over faster. Flash over used to take five to ten minutes of free burning. Now it takes under two minutes. Between this and the chemicals in the smokez the escape window if under a minute or when it was three to five minutes decades ago. Unless we require fire sprinklers in all livable space in all new construction and during any renovation, our fire fatality rate is going to skyrocket. Children and the elderly will be the victims more often than not. Interesting video. Having been in a hopeless position once, when the victim was two years old, I'm glad I couldn't see or hear her. It haunts me enough as it is. |
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04-16-2020, 07:15 PM
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Re: Russia - Raging Fire Traps Man on His Balcony
oh sure, yea, i get it. so might as well just let him burn on the balcony since it was already too late when they got there. makes sense, haha. im just teasing, i believe you there was nothing they could really do. |