[mrh2008]

Originally Posted by mrignorant ↗

Bullshit.

Call bullshit, and I have to dig up the article.... Sure you want to do that? I'll post it anyways.

[mrh2008]

Originally Posted by mrignorant ↗

Bullshit.

I'm sorry, I was mistaken. I could have sworn it was here in AZ... Turns out it was in Florida, but it would be possible in AZ under our laws as well.

MIAMI, Florida -- Authorities do not plan to file charges against a Florida orange grove owner who fatally shot a 21-year-old woman, saying he is protected under the state's controversial "no retreat" law.

But the woman's boyfriend faces second-degree murder charges in her death, because the woman was shot to death during an alleged felony -- the theft of an SUV.

Tony Curtis Phillips, 29, didn't fire a single shot. He didn't even know his girlfriend, Nikki McCormick, was dead until police showed him an online news story.

Police said McCormick accompanied Phillips as he attempted to steal the SUV from a barn in an orange grove near Wahneta, Florida, before daylight Tuesday.

Grove owner Ladon "Jamie" Jones opened fire as the SUV approached him, according to an affidavit released by the Polk County Sheriff's Office. Phillips fled; McCormick was shot in the head and later died.

Authorities said Jones is protected by Florida's "no retreat" law, which gives him the right to use lethal force if he reasonably believes his life is in danger. Phillips, however, faces charges because police allege he was committing felony grand theft auto at the time of McCormick's death.

"Because his conduct caused her death, he gets charged with a felony," Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd said.

Phillips was arrested late Tuesday in Polk County, near Lakeland, after a day on the run. Police said he didn't believe McCormick was dead at first, telling officers, "Of all the times you've questioned me, this is a nasty trick you're playing on me this time." He agreed to cooperate if detectives could prove she was dead.

Judd said detectives called up the shooting story on the local newspaper's Web site and "let him read it online, and that's when he broke down and cried, and gave us a confession," Judd said.

According to the affidavit, Jones heard his Toyota Land Cruiser, parked in the barn at his orange grove, start up before daylight Tuesday. Jones told police he grabbed his gun, a 9mm that he keeps with him while working at the grove. He said he could see two people in the SUV as it backed out of the barn, according to the affidavit. He said he saw the passenger's arm reach outside the vehicle, and believed that person might be holding a gun.

The Land Cruiser stopped directly in front of him, Jones said in the affidavit. He said he raised his gun and pointed it at the occupants, shouting "Stop," but the vehicle appeared to be moving directly toward him.

"Fearing for his life, he then fired what he thought to be six to eight rounds into the front windshield of the vehicle," the affidavit stated.

The vehicle backed up at high speed, crashed through a fence and ended up in a ditch. Jones told police a man jumped out of the SUV and ran away.

Sheriff's deputies found McCormick inside the vehicle with a bullet wound to her head. She was taken to Lakeland Regional Medical Center, where she died.

Jones did not return a call from CNN seeking comment.

Authorities will forward their information to prosecutors, Judd said, but are "not going to file any charges [against Jones] at this point, because we don't see any reason to arrest Mr. Jones," Judd said. "... It appears, at this point in the investigation, Mr. Jones was completely, legally justified in his actions."

A Polk County judge on Thursday ordered Phillips held without bond. A public defender was appointed to his case.

Polk County Public Defender J. Marion Moorman declined to comment on the charges to CNN. "We will, of course, be interviewing the client very soon, and will be undertaking his defense from there," he said.

Phillips told police he assumed McCormick had also gotten out of the vehicle and run away, according to the affidavit. He said he was sorry for what happened "and said he knew he was partially responsible for her death," the affidavit said.

Polk County State Attorney's Office spokesman Chip Thulberry said his office will review the case when the sheriff's investigation is completed.

The Brady Campaign to prevent Gun Violence says Florida is one of 16 states that have enacted "no retreat" laws, which some call "shoot-first" laws. The laws extend the right to use deadly force beyond a person's home and into public places.

"The shoot-first law is not needed," said Brian Malte of the Brady Campaign. "This person, regardless of the situation, may have done the right thing, but he cannot be prosecuted for doing something wrong if he hit an innocent bystander," he said.

Other groups stand by the "no retreat" laws.

"At the moment a crime occurs, victims don't have the luxury of time," said Andrew Arulanandam of the National Rifle Association. "They have seconds to decide on a course of action to protect their lives and their families. This law provides law-abiding people with options."

[minka1]

Originally Posted by güttsfükk ↗

is this a law in many states?

I think it has been in place for awhile now in many states. I dont get why schools, especially in the inner cities, dont give lessons about the laws in their state. Maybe it would help kids realize what they will face if they get involved in criminal activity. Even if someone truly didnt know a crime was going to be committed, someone was going to be killed, they are just at the wrong place worng time, they need to realize the govt is not playing around! They will put as many people in jail as they can no matter who might truly be innocent or not.

*It's a fucked up law..Just like the 3 strikes law.

[mrh2008]

Originally Posted by minka1 ↗

*It's a fucked up law..Just like the 3 strikes law.

I must disagree. In your opinion, how many times should a person be caught, charged, and jailed for committing a felony BEFORE we call him a menace to society and lock his ass up for good? 5? 10? 20 times? I think 3 is a fair number... If they don't learn by the third strike, then the won't learn or are unwilling to change to keep their freedom.

[Ozzman]

Aren't you supposed to shoot the guy with the gun, not the person without one?

[mrh2008]

Originally Posted by FuManBoobs ↗

I completely understand you point of view now! I can't believe that I thought what I thought! When a person that is raped becomes a rapist, it isn't his fault... When a person that grew up with a gangbanger family becomes a gangbanger, it isn't his fault. When a person reads about serial killers on DR and becomes a serial killer, it isn't his fault. I totally agree!!! They should not be responsible for their actions, they should not be punished for what they were taught, they should be allowed to do it over and over again without punishment. You sound like a moron... let me guess, Liberal So, lets say, for instance... Yesterday, I saw a thread on DR where a body was exhumed for sexual pleasure. I saw it here, then I went and did it... That makes it OK, right?

Say a man that gets arrested for raping a little girl and gets 14 years, he gets out and rapes another woman.... gets 23 years, gets out and rapes a third, he should be allowed the please of being released from prison again to rape another woman!?!?!?!? Are you fucking stupid!?

[FuManBoobs]

Originally Posted by mrh2008 ↗

I completely understand you point of view now! I can't believe that I thought what I thought! When a person that is raped becomes a rapist, it isn't his fault... When a person that grew up with a gangbanger family becomes a gangbanger, it isn't his fault. When a person reads about serial killers on DR and becomes a serial killer, it isn't his fault. I totally agree!!! They should not be responsible for their actions, they should not be punished for what they were taught, they should be allowed to do it over and over again without punishment. You sound like a moron... let me guess, Liberal So, lets say, for instance... Yesterday, I saw a thread on DR where a body was exhumed for sexual pleasure. I saw it here, then I went and did it... That makes it OK, right?

Say a man that gets arrested for raping a little girl and gets 14 years, he gets out and rapes another woman.... gets 23 years, gets out and rapes a third, he should be allowed the please of being released from prison again to rape another woman!?!?!?!? Are you fucking stupid!?

Whether I think it's OK or not doesn't matter.

The point is that punishing people does not work and that environmental conditioning will cause abhorrent behaviours. That is not my opinion. That is what science tells us.

Removal from society to prevent someone harming others is a good thing. Prison environments however, are not so good.

You obviously do not understand my point of view yet.

I recommend watching the whole film to better understand.

[BuggaBugga1104]

I think they deserved it...one less robber/prisoner to worry about right? If that kid had a gun with bullets he would have shot the pharmacist and stole the pills so he could sell them probably...Robbers...dying is a possibility. If I ever get robbed, I hope I have a gun to defend myself. The pharmacist didn't know the gun wasn't loaded and he was pissed he was being robbed...I don't think shootin the unarmed kid in the stomach was awesome on his part....but people are so stupid anymore...it's the pharmacists fault the little shithead tried to rob him and ended up dead? Take responsibility people...assholes.

[Imlatinoguy]

He kind of deserved it in my opinion. I mean 2 robbers = 2 targets take 1 down pass it around now you got 2 bullets left in the gun.

[Smokey]

Just 1 shot would have done it a justice. 5 more is asking for a charge. I'd charge her with like 3rd degree man slaughter or something around that.