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#231
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05-21-2023, 03:53 AM
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Re: NYC Subway Passenger Acting Erratically Put Into Deadly Chokehold by Marine
Hi Neek, You must be a fucking idiot who has zero sense of reality. Please spend an hour on a subway in my city and see how many crackheads and homeless people bother you. You will be crying to your mother by the end of it, guaranteed. Sincerely, Astro64 |
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#232
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05-21-2023, 10:04 PM
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Re: NYC Subway Passenger Acting Erratically Put Into Deadly Chokehold by Marine
I agree. As someone who has used this choke to subdue an aggressive subject, withing about 10 seconds, the person goes limp. He should have let go no later than 20 seconds, and let the guy sleep it off. The aggressor took way too much time to release the choke.
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#233
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05-21-2023, 10:12 PM
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Re: NYC Subway Passenger Acting Erratically Put Into Deadly Chokehold by Marine
And you must be a pussy who is afraid to ride the subway because of the “scary crackheads and homeless people” … loser.
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#234
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05-21-2023, 10:29 PM
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Re: NYC Subway Passenger Acting Erratically Put Into Deadly Chokehold by Marine
I agree with everything said here. Any combat based unit is not trained in detecting that the combatant is "asleep/out". What is taught in the US military is subdue the enemy until your buddy can intervene. I think the stress of the moment brought back the training to subdue but lacked the cognition to release after the person was relaxed and "asleep" prior to any brain damage. I also disagree with others that they were choking the victim. The goal of a rear naked chock is to deprive the brain of oxygen by obstructing the flow of blood rather than breath. This is a sad event where the training failed when applied to the civilian sector.
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#235
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05-21-2023, 10:34 PM
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Re: NYC Subway Passenger Acting Erratically Put Into Deadly Chokehold by Marine
I disagree, once unconscious, the aggressor will take several minutes to regain consciousness. Kill is not a valid option when the aggressor is unconscious. In the US it is considered that when the aggressor is incapacitated, no further aggressive methods are necessary (ex. a person robbing a store with a firearm is shot by a bystander. Once the robbing offender is no longer a threat, a final round to the back of the head is considered murder).
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#236
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05-21-2023, 10:58 PM
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Re: NYC Subway Passenger Acting Erratically Put Into Deadly Chokehold by Marine
I AM an American veteran. I was taught by my parents to never slay anything fun, but if it was intended for food we needed to survive, do so efficiently and with mercy. When I got into the army, similar tenets were admonished: only shoot when shot upon, and do not kill enemy combatants once they were no longer a threat. Most of us were trained well by the military. I can guarantee you that had 2 trained Veterans be present at the school shootings since Columbine, the outcome would have been significantly better with the shooters neutralized prior to entering the school. When you are "in the shit" with enemy combatants, you become highly attuned to aggressive behavior, perhaps better than the police, as we were "in the shit" with people bound and determined to kill you with whatever means necessary; believe it or not, the "sixth sense" was a lifesaver for many a military person in combat. Now, I'm betting that you were never in the military and do not know of the top tier rule to not kill blatantly or without thought. We were taught to respect human life whether on our side or the enemy. We took more people into custody than we killed in combat. Once you know what it is like to be the lamb stalked by the aggressor, you will always recall when it happens again.
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#237
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05-21-2023, 11:26 PM
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Re: NYC Subway Passenger Acting Erratically Put Into Deadly Chokehold by Marine
That word should be forbidden in all languages and never uttered by anyone of any race. No one deserves the right to use that word. Period.
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#238
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05-22-2023, 12:05 AM
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Re: NYC Subway Passenger Acting Erratically Put Into Deadly Chokehold by Marine
Never during this discourse have I ever claimed that the actions are justifiable, but I think cowardice is not the issue. I welcome a discourse of two adults with respect between the two. I believe this discourse is welcome with th4 DR community without offending others.
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