[DegoLocc]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

You do realize that he cannot go five minutes without mocking, blaming, or insulting someone?

You guys got that in common.








***Just fucking with you bro. I find you pretty funny when you go off on ppl, honestly. Nothing but love here.

[seleukosnikator]

Finally! Consistency. Just when I was just thinking I can’t wait until AI can rule entirely unfettered by this primate species of slop. lol.

Originally Posted by overcusser ↗

She had it coming as well.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by seleukosnikator ↗

Exactly. I can grasp why people hold opposing views and still respect their reasoning — but I can’t wrap my head around a total abandonment of consistency, where someone just indulges in raw, primate-level emotional glee because “I liked this person, but hated that one, so I’m glad they’re dead.”
It’s as if personal feelings somehow grant objective moral weight, and that’s supposed to be a coherent, adult position. These are volatile, labile reactions; they shouldn’t be the cornerstone of a mature, well-formed mind.

*sigh*

Already addressed elsewhere in the forum.

#1. Read the investigation documents. Babbitt was warned three separate times to "Get down" to "Get Back" and to "Get away from the door!" It's on record. I understand that Good also received verbal commands of a sort, but the post you quoted in your post incorrectly said AB was not warned so I am addressing that.

#2. Drawing a clear analogue between a housewife sitting idle in a vehicle blocking one part of a lane of traffic 20 minutes after dropping her kid off at kindergarten and then being executed when she found herself surrounded by people screaming at her and trying to break into her vehicle is not even remotely a parallel situation to an ex-military rioter charging the Capitol with a violent mob of hundreds of people, beating and assaulting dozens of police officers, and the breaking windows to get into a restricted area after having announced clear intent to execute congressmen and hang the vice president is an exercise in absurdity.

If you honestly find the situations to be the same ballgame let alone the same ballpark then I cannot help you. No one can.

[Vincentsdream]

How long we holding this beer for?

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by HIGHTECHDUDE ↗

As of 07 JAN 2026, "Operation Metro Surge" had apprehended over 1,500 dangerous immigrants in MN. Most of the arrestees were wanted for murder, rape, robbery, and pedophilia as well as human trafficking and illegal entry.

Dude. Again with you.

You cannot claim a piece of evidence as fact without citing it. You are claiming specific numbers and specific charges here. With no source citation.

It ain't evidence if it isn't factual. And it ain't factual unless the Mods can vet it. And I can't fucking vet it if you keep posting bullshit with no citations!

I even TRIED to source this one. Wasted 15 minutes and could not find a single source to corroborate your numbers. And after 20 years of finding gore news and photos in dozens of countries, I am not especially inept at internet searches for articles.

Get with it, man.

And so help me, Mary Mother of God, if you try to pass off Fox News or CNN or anything remotely adjacent as a legitimate source, I will fucking put your head on a pike.

Legitimate=Balanced. Balanced=Ubiased.
No Maga trash. No Woke trash. Evidence. News. Reliable source.

[DegoLocc]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

#2. Drawing a clear analogue between a housewife sitting idle in a vehicle blocking one part of a lane of traffic 20 minutes after dropping her kid off at kindergarten and then being executed when she found herself surrounded by people screaming at her and trying to break into her vehicle

Wait... So Babbit aside (I don't have an issue with that) Are you still not of the opinion that Renee and her Wife were there to purposefully block and obstruct ICE?! Even with all that we have seen you are saying that she just happened across that scene?

What is the Wife talking about when she said "It's my fault, I made her come down here" then? Why is the wife out of the car threatening the dude?

I'll grant you that I haven't seen enough evidence to say she was part of some coordinated or funded group, for all I know they seen a social media post and came to the location and started following them around. Allegedly they were having issues with them prior to this video, well at least that is what the government is claiming. Not Trump, but his lackys.

I just find this notion that she just dropped her kids off 20 min before and then just so happened to accidently, "totally not on purpose" run into these ICE agents and decide to block the ICE vehicle that was supposedly stuck in the snow seems disingenuous at best and a flat out lie to conflate the facts at worst.


Even with everything I have seen so far, I still think the shooting was unjustified and excessive. He didn't have to kill her, he could have stepped aside without shooting. But I still also blame them for being there playing around with ICE in the first place. Plenty of blame to go around. Whole situation is shitty.

[DegoLocc]

When I said run into ICE agents above I mean, just coming across them, not actually into them... FWIW.

[seleukosnikator]

Those are valid forensic points—I haven’t seen every clip from January 6, partly because so few were made public for such a long time.

At root, though, it’s the same ugly factional divide: Charlie Kirk, nonviolent debater and free-speech champion, assassinated in cold blood last year, versus Renee Good, shot by ICE this week in a vehicle incident officials call attempted assault on agents. People openly cheered Kirk’s murder because ‘he spread hate’—now the same crowd demands sanctity for Good and condemns any defense of the officer.
Grim stuff. If you’re gripped by that gleeful bloodlust either way, at minimum have the maturity for basic self-control: don’t demand special exemptions for your side’s emotions while dismissing the other’s as invalid. These labile reactions reveal the person, not the principle.

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

*sigh*

Already addressed elsewhere in the forum.

#1. Read the investigation documents. Babbitt was warned three separate times to "Get down" to "Get Back" and to "Get away from the door!" It's on record. I understand that Good also received verbal commands of a sort, but the post you quoted in your post incorrectly said AB was not warned so I am addressing that.

#2. Drawing a clear analogue between a housewife sitting idle in a vehicle blocking one part of a lane of traffic 20 minutes after dropping her kid off at kindergarten and then being executed when she found herself surrounded by people screaming at her and trying to break into her vehicle is not even remotely a parallel situation to an ex-military rioter charging the Capitol with a violent mob of hundreds of people, beating and assaulting dozens of police officers, and the breaking windows to get into a restricted area after having announced clear intent to execute congressmen and hang the vice president is an exercise in absurdity.

If you honestly find the situations to be the same ballgame let alone the same ballpark then I cannot help you. No one can.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by DegoLocc ↗

Wait... So Babbit aside (I don't have an issue with that) Are you still not of the opinion that Renee and her Wife were there to purposefully block and obstruct ICE?! Even with all that we have seen you are saying that she just happened across that scene?

What is the Wife talking about when she said "It's my fault, I made her come down here" then? Why is the wife out of the car threatening the dude?

I'll grant you that I haven't seen enough evidence to say she was part of some coordinated or funded group, for all I know they seen a social media post and came to the location and started following them around. Allegedly they were having issues with them prior to this video, well at least that is what the government is claiming. Not Trump, but his lackys.

I just find this notion that she just dropped her kids off 20 min before and then just so happened to accidently, "totally not on purpose" run into these ICE agents and decide to block the ICE vehicle that was supposedly stuck in the snow seems disingenuous at best and a flat out lie to conflate the facts at worst.


Even with everything I have seen so far, I still think the shooting was unjustified and excessive. He didn't have to kill her, he could have stepped aside without shooting. But I still also blame them for being there playing around with ICE in the first place. Plenty of blame to go around. Whole situation is shitty.

I'm not talking about the wife. I am talking about the murder victim.

She sat in the car. It is obvious in multiple videos that she left enough room in front of her to let other vehicles pass. We see a full-sized truck pass.

Immediately after that, we see the ICE truck pull up. When it does, Good can be seen gesturing out the window with the same "go around" wave that she gave the previous vehicle. She did not pull her vehicle up to fully block the lane when the ICE truck moved up and parks in the left midground of the video. No. She waved him forward. To go around and pass her. Exactly like she happily allowed another truck to do moments earlier. On camera.

We have evidence of two interactions between Good and Ross on video.

In the first one, Good can be seen sitting relaxed, calm, and smiling as Ross approaches her. There is no discernible malice in her demeanor or in her expression. She smiles and says, "It's fine, dude. I'm not even mad at you."

Their second interaction consists of Ross having moved back into the frame after their last engagement. It was shown in the video that he walked rearwards on her driver's side to record her plate and then circled her vehicle to the passenger side. Side note: That is an absolute violation of protocol when dealing with suspects or POI in a vehicle. Triple-double so for an agent who had PTSD about getting hit by cars already.

Once he is back there, it is fairly clear that Good can no longer see him. Her facing and body language give no indication that he is now moving around the passenger side of her vehicle, engaging hostilely with her wife and vice versa. The wife is clearly verbally egging him on and insulting him, which is legal, but still unnecessary and does not de-escalate. I will note that at this point, even though she is ruder and more aggressive than Renee, the wife has not actually obstructed anything either.

At no point in any of these videos do Ross or either of the other ICE agents inform Renee or her wife that they are risking a Federal Obstruction charge. There is no warning. No explanation. No questions. If there were, they occurred off camera earlier. Renee is clearly still relaxed at that point and does not even remotely act like someone who thinks she is breaking a Federal law. Likely because she is literally NOT blockading. There is room for the trucks to pass her and she has not only not tried to pull up to impede that, she has physically gestured for them to go around. Why would she think she was breaking the law if they did not tell her she was and if she left them what she felt was acceptable space?

Just as Ross is reaching her passenger side fender, the other ICE agent charges, and I mean literally RUNS at her car door, screaming 'SHITHEAD, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR!" This is visible in one of the other videos in our first post.

Good is obviously shocked, blindsided, and very likely now panicked and scared as she neither heard nor saw that second agent bulldozing into her door until he launched himself. So she shifts focus to the masked person screaming orders and yanking on her car door, attempting a forced entry.

At roughly the same second this is happening, her wife is banging on the passenger door yelling "Drive, drive!" Ross is now crossing along the front of her vehicle, but her attention was focused entirely on the one banging on her door. Hearing her wife, she backs backs up to get a clearer angle and then starts to accelerate to flee. At this point, she seems to look up and see that Ross is now just left of midline in front of her, so she immediately reacts by turning her tires hard right to avoid hitting him, which we can clearly see. He is either LIGHTLY bumped by her fender or sidesteps it entirely. If he was impacted it was so gentle as to not cause him to fall over, to lose his footing, to drop his gun, or to drop his phone. In fact, he doesn't even stop filming.

Sidenote: DHS policy clearly states that lethal force against the occupant is permissible ONLY if the LEO has clear reason to believe that he will suffer "imminent death" or "serious bodily harm" if he does ANYthing other than fire that gun at that moment. That's the codified standard in their policy manual.
It doesn't matter that her car may be considered a deadly weapon. It matters whether or not he had legitimate cause to think he would be KILLED or seriously maimed if he did not shoot her.

Bearing in mind that between her speed and the angle, if she hit him at all he did not even lose his grip on his phone or his footing.

Anyway, that aside, he concluded their second interaction by shooting her in the face and then gave her three more in the back/side as her car traveled completely past him in the opposite direction. Also, by the way a direct violation of DHS policy, which stipulates he is NOT to employ deadly force against a fleeing subject unless he has strong reason to fear 'imminent death' or serious bodily harm to himself or another agent if he lets the suspect go.

That is my read from more than 30 viewings of each of the 3 videos in the first post as well as several others.

In answer to your question, I believe they were there deliberately. Whatever the wife's actual motive or level of engagement (obviously higher than Good's), I believe their stated and intended purpose was to observe and record. Which is perfectly legal btw.

I also believe that Good was there for the exact reason that several state agencies testified she was. As a 'legal observer' to observe and record ICE's action but not directly interfere with them as a protestor would.

Absolutely every single aspect of her mannerisms, her posture, her demeanor, her tone, and her actions support this. Her calmness, her friendliness. Her obvious willingness to 'stand down' while ICE moved their vehicles past her in the open lane. Right up until the moment when she has an ICE agent trying to force entry into her car while screaming, her wife screaming to drive away in the other window and she clearly panics, terrified and feeling threatened, and tries to flee.

My speculation is that her wife was likely there to film as well, but couldn't help herself but to open her mouth and sling shit while doing it. You will note that never once, at any point, did Renee follow suit.

I do not believe that Renee was there to obstruct or interfere. I earnestly do not and I feel that anyone with a vague inkling of the study of the human condition will realize the same if they watch her in the videos, focusing on her expressions, demeanor, actions, and reactions.

I will also add that I think anyone who advocates AGAINST having civilian groups observe and record, but not impede, is far too trusting of our government. It's a valuable service to all of us and to the agency itself if it is acting legitimately and legally and honestly.

[DegoLocc]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

I'm not talking about the wife. I am talking about the murder victim.

She sat in the car. It is obvious in multiple videos that she left enough room in front of her to let other vehicles pass. We see a full-sized truck pass.

Immediately after that, we see the ICE truck pull up. When it does, Good can be seen gesturing out the window with the same "go around" wave that she gave the previous vehicle. She did not pull her vehicle up to fully block the lane when the ICE truck moved up and parks in the left midground of the video. No. She waved him forward. To go around and pass her. Exactly like she happily allowed another truck to do moments earlier. On camera.

We have evidence of two interactions between Good and Ross on video.

In the first one, Good can be seen sitting relaxed, calm, and smiling as Ross approaches her. There is no discernible malice in her demeanor or in her expression. She smiles and says, "It's fine, dude. I'm not even mad at you."

Their second interaction consists of Ross having moved back into the frame after their last engagement. It was shown in the video that he walked rearwards on her driver's side to record her plate and then circled her vehicle to the passenger side. Side note: That is an absolute violation of protocol when dealing with suspects or POI in a vehicle. Triple-double so for an agent who had PTSD about getting hit by cars already.

Once he is back there, it is fairly clear that Good can no longer see him. Her facing and body language give no indication that he is now moving around the passenger side of her vehicle, engaging hostilely with her wife and vice versa.

Just as Ross is reaching her passenger side fender, the other ICE agent charges, and I mean literally RUNS at her car door, screaming 'SHITHEAD, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR!" This is visible in one of the other videos in our first post.

Good is obviously shocked, blindsided, and very likely now panicked and scared as she neither heard nor saw that second agent bulldozing into her door until he launched himself. So she shifts focus to the masked person screaming orders and yanking on her car door, attempting a forced entry.

At roughly the same second this is happening, her wife is banging on the passenger door yelling "Drive, drive!" Ross is now crossing along the front of her vehicle, but her attention was focused entirely on the one banging on her door. Hearing her wife, she backs backs up to get a clearer angle and then starts to accelerate to flee. At this point, she seems to look up and see that Ross is now just left of midline in front of her, so she immediately reacts by turning her tires hard right to avoid hitting him, which we can clearly see. He is either LIGHTLY bumped by her fender or sidesteps it entirely. If he was impacted it was so gentle as to not cause him to fall over, to lose his footing, to drop his gun, or to drop his phone. In fact, he doesn't even stop filming.

Sidenote: DHS policy clearly states that lethal force against the occupant is permissible ONLY if the LEO has clear reason to believe that he will suffer "imminent death" or "seriously bodily harm" if he does ANYthing other than fire that gun at that moment. That's the codified standard in their policy manual.
It doesn't matter that her car may be considered a deadly weapon. It matters whether or not he had legitimate cause to think he would be KILED or seriously maimed if he did not shoot her.

Bearing in mind that between her speed and the angle, if she hit him at all he did not even lose his grip on his phone or his footing.

Anyway, that aside, he concluded their second interaction by shooting her in the face and then gave her three more in the back/side as her car traveled completely past him in the opposite direction. Also, by the way a direct violation of DHS policy, which stipulates he is NOT to employ deadly force against a fleeing subject unless he has strong reason to fear 'imminent death' or grievous bodily harm to himself or another agent.

That is my read from more than 30 viewings of each of the 3 videos in the first post as well as several others.

In answer to your question, I believe they were there deliberately. Whatever the wife's actual motive or level of engagement (obviously higher than Good's)

I also believe that Good was there for the exact reason that several state agencies testified she was. As a 'legal observer' to observe and record ICE's action but not directly interfere with them as a protestor would.

Absolutely every single aspect of her mannerisms, her posture, her demeanor, her tone, and her actions support this. Her calmness, her friendliness. her obvious willingness to 'stand down' while ICE moved their vehicles past her in the open lane. Right up until the moment when she has an ICE agent trying to force entry into her car while screaming, her wife screaming to drive away in the other window and she clearly panics, terrified and feeling threatened, and tries to flee.

My speculation is that her wife was likely there to film as well, but couldn't help herself but to open her mouth and sling shit while doing it. You will note that never once, at any point, did Renee follow suit.

I do not believe that Renee was there to obstruct or interfere. I earnestly do not and I feel that anyone with a vague inkling of the study of the human condition will realize the same if they watch her in the videos, focusing on her expressions, demeanor, actions, and reactions.

I will also add that I think anyone who advocates AGAINST having civilian groups observe and record, but not impede, is far too trusting of our government. It's a valuable service to all of us and to the agency itself if it is acting legitimately and legally and honestly.

I agree with a lot of that actually. The video we do have so far, Renee is being pleasant. Maybe a little condescending about his mask, but I totally agree with your point. She doesn't come off as a hostile willing participant.

I think she's just really/mostly there to support the wife who's obviously much more passionate and clearly the aggressor of the two towards the ICE Agents. Which is a shame because the way the wife comes off is a pretty bad look.

One thing I disagree on. I think Renee was there to obstruct ICE too, but ONLY to support her wife. I think she's kind of there for the laughs too. Like she's having fun up until they try to detain her.

I don't think she purposely wanted to hit the cop, and clearly didn't have it planned or think much about it. I think she was nervous/scared at that point, and her wife yelling "drive baby drive" didn't help.

To be honest, it's a mostly on the wife and the Agent and Renee kind of got the shitty end of the stick on this one. She's not 100% absolved of any blame for me because she WAS still there and she was blocking/driving and she is a grown adult who has agency, but both the wife and the Agent are more to blame than her when you sit down and look at it this way.