[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by gzac1959 ↗

Are you liberals? That thing she got killed in cold blood. Take the illegals and support them. Then, I'll have no problem. Where are all the Democrats taking the illegals into their house? And the Somalis, after 10 years, 81% are still unemployment.

You dumb fuck.

Minneapolis is a sanctuary city. THEY ARE WILLINGLY TAKING THEM IN THERE.

Minnesota pays in a yearly average of 44 BILLION dollars more to the Federal Government than it takes in from the Federal government. So them being there costs no one ANYTHING outside of Minnesota. And Minnesota has voted reliably Blue for decades.

It costs you, as a taxpayer (assuming you even pay Federal taxes), FAR more to pay for all of these ICE raids in Blue sanctuary cities.

So what the fuck is your problem? Oh yeah...I see...

Originally Posted by gzac1959 ↗

We voted for Trump, we love it. There's laws in this country follow the laws.

You're actually retarded. If you cared one fucking iota about the 'laws in this country' , why did you vote for a convicted felon with 34 counts on his jacket that he still hasn't done time for?

So go peddle that horseshit to someone who's buying it. The 'law' means nothing to you other than how you can wield it against people who don't like.

[ajs11961]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

The crazy (and one of the saddest) part is that ICE basically did a perfectly fine job for 22 years. They did their work, they deported millions of illegals, very very few people ever got killed. They were reliable and relatively efficient. They weren't 'loved' but most normal citizens just tacitly accepted their role and went about their lives.

ICE operated quietly, professionally, and responsibly.

But Trump decided this term that 23% of the nation's voting age-of-majority population somehow equated with being a decisive mandate in his mind.

And being a reality tv star, real estate hustler, and narcissistic showman by nature, he decided that the best way to make sure everyone knew he had a 'mandate' was to make the whole fucking agency into a circus.

Out of the blue they're swarming the streets, no badges, no IDs, wearing masks to hide their faces from accountability. People are getting thrown into vans with no due process in front of crowds of witnesses. People are getting shot. People are getting beaten. American Citizens are being arrested by 'mistake' and stashed in cells with no access to their lawyers or families.

Actual illegals are being deported with no due process to foreign countries they have never even been to as part of back room deals where Trump is basically trading prison labor to other countries in exchange for favors or trade deals.

A Federal Judge ordered him to return them, as it was a violation of their Rights and the Law to sell them to some other country without due process. Trump ignored the court order and did it anyway, saying, "What are you gonna do, arrest me? I'm the fucking President. The only limit on my power is my mortality."

All of a sudden, after 22 years of ICE doing their job every day and no one really giving too much of a fuck about it, he re-tools them as an absurdly high-profile political weapon.

He starts targeting cities, not because they have the highest concentration of illegals, but because they are population centers for the opposition party. Not only that, but he deliberately uses ICE officers as terror troops, ordering them to put on big shows of force in Democratic cities only, terrifying citizens and intimidating crowds just because they voted against Trump. Or criticized him in the news.

He and Noem have utterly destroyed any credibility that agency had in the space of 12 short months. No one even remembers that they did their job well, discreetly, and responsibly for decades. Now hundreds of millions of people will remember them only as a weaponized terror squad, conducting bloody political theater for the circus ringleader who is only in this game for the limelight and the backhanders.

Your seething with TDS rantings and cussing and blocking and threatening to report those who disagree with your monotonous ramblings display an unstable person.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by ajs11961 ↗

Your seething with TDS rantings and cussing and blocking and threatening to report those who disagree with your monotonous ramblings display an unstable person.

Report to who? The Spanish Inquisition?

See you at Nuremberg, Fash. FAFO.

[HIGHTECHDUDE]

tl;dr version:
— A new video dropped today...

---

EDIT: I have indexed numerous articles on this topic. Mostly from the conservative angle. I was asked for "bonafide" information which I interpreted as published from the liberal media. I've linked to reports from NYT, CNN, CNBC, CBS and possibly others.

For those of you who apparently obtained all your legal expertise from watching some "flex your rights" video on Youtube or other liberal brainwashing, here's the correct information about Immigration & Customs Enforcement from the United States Code, Code of Federal Regulations, and Federal Court Decisions:

• ICE agents (and all Federal agents) are fully empowered law enforcement officers, long established by Federal law as set forth by the Constitution of The United States. {18 USC § 115(c)(1)}
• There are no jurisdictional boundaries in USA for Federal agents.{8 U.S.C. § 1357}
• They can arrest ANYONE for violating any crime anywhere in the USA. {8 U.S.C. § 1357}
• ICE has no limitations on who they may contact or arrest. They have FULL authority over US citizens and immigrants and are not limited to immigration matters only. {8 U.S.C. § 1357}
• ICE's mission statement specifically directs them to investigate and prosecute anyone violating US immigration laws.{ICE.gov}
• ICE has discretion to detain, arrest, investigate and prosecute ANYONE violating Federal or State law. {8 U.S.C. § 1357}
  In matters of arrest under state law, prosecution is deferred to local state authorities instead of the US Attorney.{1994 U.S. Code
  Title 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
  CHAPTER 11 - NATIONALITY
  SUBCHAPTER II_2 - SUBCHAPTER II-IMMIGRATION
  Part IX - Miscellaneous
  Sec. 1357 - Powers of immigration officers and employees}

In this particular incident, ICE had every authority to stop, detain, investigate and arrest Renee Good for violation of

U.S.C. TITLE 18 / PART I / CHAPTER 7 / § 111(a): Whoever—
(1) forcibly assaults, resists, opposes, impedes, intimidates, or interferes with any person designated in section 1114 (Federal Agents) of this title while engaged in or on account of the performance of official duties is guilty of a crime. Violations of this code and where such acts involve physical contact with the victim (ICE agent) of that assault or the intent to commit another crime, are guilty of a FELONY punishable by fine and/or imprisonment.

ICE agents were perfectly within their lawful duty to stop, detain, and arrest Renee Good for violating the US Code. She was not demonstrating in a lawful protest protected by the first amendment {538 U.S. 343}. Any argument that she was simply monitoring ICE or had her rights violated by ICE is not based on any jurisprudent foundation.

For anyone clinging to the absurd excuses that this was a minor traffic violation, her vehicle was simply stuck, or that she was trying to flee from unidentified carjackers, or that ICE has no authority to make a "traffic stop" or any other inane argument about the direction of her tires or otherwise support of Renee Good's action, you're dead wrong and spreading lies. IT'S CRINGE TO EVERYONE who respects law and order and you're just embarrassing yourself. She was directly engaging in a Federal crime, captured on video.

There is substantial evidence (her own online posts, membership in "ICEwatch" and other anti-ICE organizations, previous contacts with ICE, etc.) that Renee and her wife travelled to this location to deliberately impede ICE agents and their activities. There is new video of her engaged in conversation with the agents at the scene, acknowledging that she knew exactly who these uniformed officers in masks were and they were ICE agents. She had received numerous warnings to stop impeding agents prior to this contact.

Depending on your perspective and bias you may feel that she was within her rights to flee law enforcement. But she did not have any right to resist arrest or accelerate her vehicle away from the location nor hit or threaten ICE agents while doing so {18 U.S.C. § 111}.

Whether deliberate or not, she used her vehicle to harm a Federal agent who was standing in her path during the performance of his lawful duties as demonstrated in all of the posted videos and the one I've added below.

Whether you speculate that he shouldn't have been in front of the vehicle or not, ultimately has no bearing on the shooting. Although it's against DHS policy for agents to intentionally try to stop or block a vehicle with their body, it's not a violation of any law and that doesn't appear to be the agent's intent. He was capturing evidence video of the vehicle and occupants. While circling in front of the vehicle, the driver reversed momentarily before accelerating toward the agent. Any reasonable person standing in his shoes could not be able to differentiate her intents or path. Other ICE agents on scene concur.(TBH, I think I would have probably felt threatened and might have taken the same action).

Legally speaking, the bottom line boils down to the subjective opinion of the officer who was struck by the vehicle Renee Good was operating. Recent legal precedence reinforces that law enforcement officers may use lethal force against anyone operating a vehicle that poses a threat of injury to themselves or others, {23-1239 Barnes v. Felix (05/15/2025)}. There's reasonable evidence that he was in fear for his life as she accelerated her vehicle towards him. Any prudent person can see this. The direction of her tires is irrelevant because the agent couldn't see her wheels from his perspective (refer added video).

The court of public opinion has no bearing. Justice will be served after a thorough investigation of the use of force and tedious examination of the facts. Radicalized liberals should just change their diapers and admit when they're wrong. Die on this hill if you want to but frankly it makes you look asinine.

Anyway, I think this new video seems to trump any arguments IMHO, but I have no doubt that someone will spin this into the liberal narrative to defend Renee Good...

(Direct from CNBC. No AI or editing involved. But I honestly don't care if you believe me or not.)

[Vincentsdream]

So just deliberately spreading false information now hightech?

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by HIGHTECHDUDE ↗

tl;dr version:
— A new video dropped today...

---

For those of you who apparently obtained all your legal expertise from watching some "flex your rights" video on Youtube or other liberal brainwashing, here's the correct information about Immigration & Customs Enforcement from the United States Code, Code of Federal Regulations, and Federal Court Decisions:

• ICE agents (and all Federal agents) are fully empowered law enforcement officers, long established by Federal law as set forth by the Constitution of The United States.
• There are no jurisdictional boundaries in USA for Federal agents.
• They can arrest ANYONE for violating any crime anywhere in the USA.
• ICE has no limitations on who they may contact or arrest. They have FULL authority over US citizens and immigrants and are not limited to immigration matters only.
• ICE's mission statement specifically directs them to investigate and prosecute anyone violating US immigration laws.
• ICE has discretion to detain, arrest, investigate and prosecute ANYONE violating Federal or State law.
  In matters of arrest under state law, prosecution is deferred to local state authorities instead of the US Attorney.

In this particular incident, ICE had every authority to stop, detain, investigate and arrest Renee Good for violation of
ICE agents were perfectly within their lawful duty to stop, detain, and arrest Renee Good for violating the US Code. She was not demonstrating in a lawful protest protected by the first amendment. Any argument that she was simply monitoring ICE or had her rights violated by ICE is not based on any jurisprudent foundation.

For anyone clinging to the absurd excuses that this was a minor traffic violation, her vehicle was simply stuck, or that she was trying to flee from unidentified carjackers, or that ICE has no authority to make a "traffic stop" or any other inane argument about the direction of her tires or otherwise support of Renee Good's action, you're dead wrong and spreading lies. It's cringe to anyone who respects law and order and you're just embarrassing yourself. She was directly engaging in a Federal crime, captured on video.

There is substantial evidence (her own online posts, membership in "ICEwatch" and other anti-ICE organizations, previous contacts with ICE, etc.) that Renee and her wife travelled to this location to deliberately impede ICE agents and their activities. There is new video of her engaged in conversation with the agents at the scene, acknowledging that she knew exactly who these uniformed officers in masks were and they were ICE agents. She had received numerous warnings to stop impeding agents prior to this contact.

Depending on your perspective and bias you may feel that she was within her rights to flee law enforcement. But she did not have any right to resist arrest or accelerate her vehicle away from the location nor hit or threaten ICE agents while doing so.

Whether deliberate or not, she used her vehicle to harm a Federal agent who was standing in her path during the performance of his lawful duties.

Whether you speculate that he shouldn't have been in front of the vehicle or not, ultimately has no bearing on the shooting.

Legally speaking, the bottom line boils down to the subjective opinion of the officer who was struck by the vehicle Renee Good was operating. Recent legal precedence reinforces that law enforcement officers may use lethal force against anyone operating a vehicle that poses a threat of injury to themselves or others, {23-1239 Barnes v. Felix (05/15/2025)}. There's reasonable evidence that he was in fear for his life as she accelerated her vehicle towards him. Any prudent person can see this. The direction of her tires is irrelevant because the agent couldn't see her wheels from his perspective.

The court of public opinion has no bearing. Justice will be served after a thorough investigation of the use of force and tedious examination of the facts. Radicalized liberals should just change their diapers and admit when they're wrong.

Anyway, I think this new video seems to trump any arguments IMHO, but I have no doubt that someone will spin this into the narrative to defend Renee Good...

(Direct from CNBC. No AI or editing involved. But I honestly don't care if you believe me or not.)

No.
Dude, just no.

With the exception of two very limited citations, your entire textwall is completely conjecture and speculation. Every single bit.

You cannot simply put forth an entire wall of text that makes, quite literally, dozens of different claims, and expect people to believe it to be a fact.

Even when I was posting mistaken (through incompleteness) information about the scope of ICE's authority, I at least at the courtesy to cut/paste the text directly from their own website.

Their website was a tangled mess of lies and commissions, so my evidence was flawed. But FFS, you backed up like ONE of your dozens of claims with a half-assed citation and flat out left the rest of it as unsubstantiated garbage, sitting there like a turd on the carpet. At least 1/3 of what you wrote appears to have been generated through ChatGPT.

Come on, dude. I am trying here. But you're really making it difficult. You either explicitly mention or imply the existence of 'evidence' multiple times without ever actually providing any whatsoever.

You say you have incontrovertible proof that she was a terrorist of some kind, on the roster of militant 'anti ICE' organizations, previous confirmed contact with ICE? I want to see it.
I want to see it from a source. A verified and credible source. These posts of hers you claim to have? I want to see them. I don't give two flying fucks if you have 'seen' them. If you are going to present them here as proof and evidence, you provide the evidence in the post.

Do better. You have editorial privileges for your posts. Go do some fucking homework, get actual legitimate, vetted source citations and then come add them to your post.

Because as it is, it is nothing but hot, flaming garbage.

And your 'bombshell video?' Seriously? Jesus Christ.

It's been here all day in the first post. And whatever your imagination is telling you it 'proves' what it PROVES is that the woman he executed was calm, collected, and friendly. She smiled genuinely at him and said in a calm voice, "It's fine, dude. I'm not even mad at you" as he walked past her.

What your video does not show is that while she was sitting calmly and Ross was circling her car like a shark (absolutely 100% violation of procedure of how piggies are supposed to handle a vehicle containing suspects) and coming back around to the front from the far side, his partner charged at her driver's side door, grabbing the handle and trying to illegally force entry while yelling, "Shithead, get out of the fucking car!"

She panicked as she was being attacked, her focus shifting to the masked thug trying to force her car door as she attempted to reverse and evade. Because she was focused on her assailant from the driver's side it is improbable she even realized that, in the space of 2 seconds Ross, who was walking a circle BEHIND her car to record her plate last time she engaged with him, had walked around and was now in front of her, she looked up after reversing, saw him and hit the gas to escape, CLEARLY AND VISIBLY TURNING HER CAR TIRES TO THE RIGHT while he executed her 1 second later.

Most of what I described is clearly visible in the other videos posted here in this thread. Some, such as the likelihood that she was shocked and distracted by the thug literally RUNNING at her car door screaming profanity and trying to tear it open, is my speculation.

[Vedderman]

The Moderation staff has already received and debunked or debunked and removed several pieces of 'evidence' that were manufactured or heavily altered with AI to suit someone's agenda.

Several major news networks have already posted and then removed and replaced multiple images for the same reason. It is happening extensively with this case.

So we are assigning a higher standard of what we are accepting as 'evidence' on the site.

You post it or it does not exist.

We vet it and its source and if we find it to be spurious, it does not exist.

Don't like it? Then don't post it.

But posting a textwall of speculation, conjecture, and suggestions and calling it 'proof' or 'evidence' or 'fact' is unacceptable.

Your impeached felon of a president may get away with posting absolute lies all day long and calling them reality, but we have a higher standard for what is presented as factual here than the White House does.

[Bunnyman1962]

.....at the end of the day if this was a ICE siege where certain targets were supposed to be captured was it successful? Because at the moment we have 1 American citizen dead and a whole pile of finger pointing

[HIGHTECHDUDE]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

No.
Dude, just no.

Honestly, my first version with links and quotes and such I thought was a little too busy to post here, but since you're demanding, please hold my beer...

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by HIGHTECHDUDE ↗

Honestly, my first version with links and quotes and such I thought was a little too busy to post here, but since you're demanding, please hold my beer...

Yes, please. If you have links for a credible source that displays the evidence you are invoking, we do want to see it.

If it is too messy, WM and I will sort through it, burn the bullshit in the fire, and help you organize the rest.