[BillabongRIP]

justified 100%. tires even broke traction as she accelerated. not an idle crawl to get around.

ps before you attack my opinion, Im not on either team

[Robyn728420]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

She was asked what now? Sorry, been parsing a lot of data the last two days. I must have missed something in one of the videos.

Where was it that she was asked to stop? And stop what? Stop parking? Stop watching? Stop breathing?


You didn't hear them telling her to stop and get out of the car? They told her to stop and get out. Her wife was coaxing the situation. If you think it was unjustified, that's your opinion. Ive watched several angles of this video and she hits the agent with the car while trying to speed off. Whether she intentionally tried to hit him or just leave the scene I don't know.
People here have seen multiple different angles of the video. She hits the agent. She escalated the situation and made a decision to hit the gas after being asked to stop and get out. I'm not here to argue that.
It shouldn't have happened and it's unfortunate it did happen. If I did the same thing I would have gotten shot too.
Don't attack people in this comment section for their opinions on what they saw. I've seen what happened from practically every angle. I am not glad this happened and it's sad this lady has 3 children that have to grow up without her over in my opinion, a preventable situation.



Wait now...she escalated the situation by trying to flee 2 seconds before she was murdered?

You...don't think maybe someone hiding behind a mask with a 9mm hard-on escalated it a bit by running at her parked car, trying to force entry through the driver's side door, and screaming "SHITHEAD, GET OUT OF THE FUCKING CAR!!!"?

Maybe? Just a little ? Teensy bit of escalation there?
Or is that sort of tactic what ICE's webpage refers to when it states:

ICE officers and agents prioritize safety — including the safety of the people they arrest — and are highly trained in de-escalation.

Because the last words Renee Good was recording saying before Ross put four rounds in her as she tried to flee were "That's fine, dude. I'm not mad at you." As she said that, she made direct, nonthreatening eye contact with him and smiled. Not a sneaky, sinister smile or anything. Just a normal human smile. If you know what one of those looks like

So...you know. Help a dumb old man like me understand this whole 'escalation' thing here.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I'm getting the vibe that this question is swirling around in a lot of people's heads, including mine

Maybe so! But the fact is I've been a moderator here for twice as long as you've been a site member.

I get along quite well with all the other Mods. And a good number of the site members, as well.

But who knows. Maybe I'm a southeast Asian casino magnate and am holding a marker for chris so he's over a barrel.

Or maybe I'm just good at the job I am doing even if you don't like the way I'm doing it. And you 'swirly minded' casual observers are too myopic to understand that you see less than 20% of the full picture of any single situation or encounter on this site.

[goghingwilde]

It’s hard to believe how many people on here seem to have the stances “tread on me harder, daddy,” and “ comply or die- civil rights don’t mean anything in America.” What a perfectly spineless point of view.

She wasn’t blocking people- cars are seen going past her as she waves them on.

Also, why did y’all not post the whole footage from Jonathan RoSs’s cell phone where he calls her a fucking bitch? Seems an important factor to see his frame of mind.

Her last words we can hear are a calm “I’m not mad at you” which goes to show her frame of mind.

Oh, and since there seems to be confusion about the policies for ICE agents:
“ DHS LEOs are prohibited from discharging firearms at the operator of a moving vehicle, vessel, aircraft, or other conveyance unless the use of deadly force is otherwise justified.”

“ Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless:
(1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or
(2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist.”

“ Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles.”
Specifically:
“Firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless:
(1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or
(2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and

That last bit I think is pretty important as we know that he was objectively able to get out of the way the vehicle, we can see him do that and walk towards her. She was going like .2 miles an hour with her tires turned away from him and he was able to shoot her point blank twice from her window. He did not need to shoot her, he wanted to. He was mad. He was annoyed at these ladies who are showing no fear of him he was agitated after her partner had made fun of his weight and then he flooded the scene like a coward. And then his eyes breathing didn’t let a nearby physician help, and did not render her any aid, all of that going against policy and training.

Even him standing in front of the car the way he did in circling it was not how officers are trained act around a vehicle. People defending him, I truly question how your perspective got so warped that you think people should be shot in the streets for, at the worst, traffic violations.

[goghingwilde]

Well, for some reason it messed up with my quotes, the important part is
“and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.“

[GoreGirl89]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

Yeah they are ignoring that part on purpose because it ruins their narrative and interrupts their bootlicking.

About the only valid argument that might stick is that she was trying to obstruct agents. But I'm not certain this will hold up in court. We'll have to see what the investigation turns up.

If he is charged and convicted I'm sure Trump will pardon him just like he always does.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by GoreGirl89 ↗

About the only valid argument that might stick is that she was trying to obstruct agents. But I'm not certain this will hold up in court. We'll have to see what the investigation turns up.

If he is charged and convicted I'm sure Trump will pardon him just like he always does.

Trump has zero authority to pardon him for State crimes. He'll make sure the murderer never sees a court room on Federal charges, but he is powerless to interfere with State charges. So if they pursue, charge, and convict Ross in the State court system and they don't invoke In re Neagle (1890)
or if it winds up nullified by Martin V. United States 2025, they'll let this murdering asshole warmup the cot that Chauvin was stroking himself on before they shipped his murderous ass to Texas to rot.

I sort of handwaved those last two points, but they are not inconsequential. Even if he is proven to be guilty as hell, Neagle will allow them to kick the state case to a Federal court, which would be the 8th Appellate District in this case. Nine of those judges are R-appointees and several are notorious Maga loyalists. So it'd be an uphill battle for her to find justice. But it is not impossible.

[Bunnyman1962]

From Downunder.....

Regardless of your political leanings and impending court proceedings this incident has been an absolute public relations disaster for Ice and Trump.

What an absolute clusterfuck.

[GoreGirl89]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Trump has zero authority to pardon him for State crimes. He'll make sure the murderer never sees a court room on Federal charges, but he is powerless to interfere with State charges. So if they pursue, charge, and convict Ross in the State court system and they don't invoke In re Neagle (1890)
or if it winds up nullified by Martin V, United States 2025, they'll let this murdering asshole warmup the cot that Chauvin was stroking himself on before they shipped his murderous ass to Texas to rot.

I sort of handwaved those last two points, but they are not inconsequential. Even if he is proven to be guilty as hell, Neagle will allow them to kick the state case to a Federal court, which would be the 8th Appellate District in this case. Nine of those judges are R-appointees and several are notorious Maga loyalists. So it'd be an uphill battle for her to find justice. But it is not impossible.

I'm wondering with the FBI taking over and federal agents involved if it will turn out this way. Like you said he can shave 21 years off Chauvin's sentence but not the state's 22 year sentence.

[wolfie]

Ved wasn't her window up and door locked when the first officer ran up and tried to open the door? I think he probably was yelling open the fuckin door! In a intimidating fashion. She most likely was not aware of her surroundings and did not see the cops closing on her. When she took off she still had her tires turned toward the left because of the way she pulled up cutting the street.

Anyway what looked to be malicious was simply panic on both sides. This will go the route of when a secret service busted a cap on a woman trying to climb into congress. Look at her face in your posted picture. She is having fun. She has no clue that her little act of parking sideways was interfering with an ongoing operation. That is obstructing.

People read some jail house lawyers interpretation of a law they have not read and consider it gospel on forums. Why not fuck with ice? They can't do nothing to me. Well they can.