[WhiskeyOutpost]

Faust's latest video I haven't seen before.

This makes it far more clear that (1) Officer was in front of the vehicle as she hit the gas pedal, and (2) He was struck by the vehicle before he fired the first shot.

[strangejosh]

You cannot reason with MAGA. They have very small brains and are filled with hate. They’d love nothing more than the orange pedo to be king, dictator, you name it. They hate the other. No getting around it. I’m sick of this shit.

[wolfie]

There certainly will be a trial in Minnesota on this. Both shooters for sure. The question will be did she use the vehicle as a deadly weapon? ICE is going to say yes. I didn't know if she was turning right of left. Prosecution will dispute that. It will be the same ole stuff. They will be let off or go to jail. If jail Trump will pardon them.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Faust's latest video I haven't seen before.

This makes it far more clear that (1) Officer was in front of the vehicle as she hit the gas pedal, and (2) He was struck by the vehicle before he fired the first shot.

You see this and yet the FBI analyst does not. I absolutely disagree that this video makes it clearly resolved. I will grant that it makes it CLEARER that he may have physically been 'struck' by a vehicle going about 3 mph with about 7 inches of momentum on him and its wheels already turning away from him.

But to my eye (as well as the FBI analyst in the newsreel), he may very well have been jumping/sidestepping back to avoid being hit. By a slow-rolling 3mph bumper.

Now, whichever of those two was the case, I will agree that this angle places him a little further medial on her front end than many of the others did. I also agree that he either took a very low impact hit or he was forced to reactively avoid one.

But I also staunchly maintain that her telegraphed intention from the outset through to conclusion was not to actually injure that man, but to try to orient her vehicle on angle of escape and get gone. If she had intended to ram and injure him, she would be sitting in the yard behind him or hung up in the chain link fence further back. Not halfway down the block at a complete right angle from his position.

And I absolutely do not and will not ever buy 'self defense' with four shots fired, at least three of which were when she was already past him and he was in zero danger. Doubly so since he and his companions actively blocked a trained medical practitioner who sought to try to administer life saving measures.

[DegoLocc]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Dude, even the FBI analyst in the news video is not clear on whether he was 'hit' by the car or not. With the clearer resolution it is equally possible that he was 'sidestepping' with a bit of a backwards hop to avoid being hit.

With this video I'd give it maybe 50-50. Either he jerked back to avoid a corner tap or he took a low impact corner tap as she was pulling a hard right to get around him. His precise movements are not abundantly clear, but one thing that is clear from all angles is that her tires were obviously transitioning to a hard right position to move through the gap between him and the vehicle to her right. He was at the (her facing) extreme left of her front end (~11:00 as I said earlier) and her tires were fully at the 2:00 position when she actually started pressing the gas, which is why she crashed into a car much further down the street rather than onto the curb and into the tree directly behind where he was originally standing.

If her vehicle actually 'struck' him at all it was a very low impact bump from the corner as she was trying to maneuver a largish vehicle around him to flee. But yes, that is a thing that may have happened here.

Only a deliberately obtuse halfwit could watch any of these angles and still believe that she weaponized her vehicle with the intention of 'ramming' him to cause harm. Which is the exact narrative Noem and Trump are peddling as their official line.

OK I hear that.

But I disagree with the FBI commentators assessment because I myself have eyes.

But I think you're correct. I don't really think she intended to run over the ICE agent. I think she just wanted to get away, and didn't think much about the effects of that decision.

I also think the ICE agent acted in a split second as well, he didn't know this ladie's intentions past maybe obstructing them all morning supposedly. He didn't have time to think about his actions either. Since he's been dragged before he probably was quick to pull the trigger, and I'm not excusing that from him either.

It's a real shitty situation all around. Nobody wins here. We all lose.

I still think the moral of this story is it's ok to protest but don't obstruct government agents, and if you put yourself in that position you should comply with the orders given from the guys with guns if you value your life.

I also think ICE clearly needs better training if they are going to be in this law enforcement role of traffic stops or dealing with unruly activists. There has to be a smarter way.

[DegoLocc]

Originally Posted by strangejosh ↗

You cannot reason with MAGA. They have very small brains and are filled with hate. They’d love nothing more than the orange pedo to be king, dictator, you name it. They hate the other. No getting around it. I’m sick of this shit.

And people like yourself hate Trump's supports and want them to die and suffer as well.

Two sides of the same dimwitted coin.

Hell, you probably wish I would die too, some random stranger online with a different opinion then yours.

It's an endless circle of hate and division. And make no mistake, you're doing your part to keep it going.

[AmericanDaywalker]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Self-defense, my balls. She was attempting to flee an unlawful detainment. ICEpiggie had zero authority to order her out of the vehicle.

Some masked cocksucker with no badge, no id, an unmarked truck, and no uniform (aside from a ballistic vest) yelling "Shithead, get out of the fucking car!" while attempting to open your car door when you have committed no crime is not a lawful detainment.

She was VERY clearly backing up and trying to flee the situation. Iceman Pigmaster executed an unarmed woman in cold blood while she was trying to flee an unconstitutional assault under color of authority. "Self defense" indeed.

Dozens of witnesses and video footage show that this was a cold-blooded murder.

Der Fuhrer has them so galvanized that they are now willing to execute innocent civilians over an unlawful traffic stop, even with half a dozen cameras filming it.

Fuck every goddam one of you bootlicking cocksuckers who voted for this. I hope you're happy now that they are executing people in the streets with impunity.

Maybe she shouldn't have had her vehicle 90 DEGREES FROM NORMAL TRANSIT DIRECTION. She was there to cause problems, and once you use a vehicle to charge a LEO your life in now in their hands. FAFO. Bye Karen!

[Lethalshadow1379]

Originally Posted by Massacreman ↗

Oh great, another situation that shows how leftist this site is.

Yup, I remember the video of the incident with the air force serviceman committing self-immolation at a Israeli embassy. And you saw leftists pop up on the comment section too.

They’re literally the bane of everyone’s existence.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by DegoLocc ↗

OK I hear that.



I also think the ICE agent acted in a split second as well, he didn't know this ladie's intentions past maybe obstructing them all morning supposedly. He didn't have time to think about his actions either. Since he's been dragged before he probably was quick to pull the trigger, and I'm not excusing that from him either.

I might also give him the one shot that went through the windshield as he was stepping back or getting tapped on the pass. Almost.

But the three additional shots he pumped into her once he and his partner were clear and the vehicle was moving past them?

Three shots in self-defense at the side/rear of a fleeing 'suspect' whose only possible crime at that point was traffic obstruction?

Sure, it was split second. Maybe just instinct. Maybe poor training.

But at the end of the day an unarmed wife and mother was shot four times over a blocked traffic lane. Sure, she would still be alive if she were not exercising her moral and constitutional right to protest. Or if she'd realized (a little sooner) that protesting by traffic obstruction was actionable and blocking traffic warranted capital punishment where Agent Quickdraw was concerned.

But I'm gonna go ahead and decide not to blame the victim here for making choices that in any normal reality should NOT lead to a public execution.

I'm gonna go ahead and lay it on the feet of the 'trained' professionals who escalated a traffic offense to a shooting match.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by AmericanDaywalker ↗

once you use a vehicle to charge a LEO your life in now in their hands. FAFO. Bye Karen!

So, that is not actually what happened. From any angle. If you have watched these videos and still wish to say that she was 'charging a LEO' then you are too stupid to be here or you are deliberately trolling.

She may well have tapped him with the corner of her front end as she was trying to steer past him to leave the scene, but to continue to posit that she deliberately weaponized her vehicle in order to 'charge him' with it is spurious enough to be maliciously disingenuous.

So, you know, don't.