[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I believe she was murdered because she 100% believes that ICE cannot detain anyone.

Is that true though? Not saying you are a liar, but in her state, if ICE has no authority to detain anyone obstructing their work, then they just murdered someone in cold daylight. If they have authority, then the family should sue all media which claimed otherwise IMO

ICE have no authority to detain ANYONE unless they know for a fact or have strong suspicion that they are actually illegals.

None. Zero. No authority. Illegal killing. Illegal forced entry into a private vehicle. Attempted illegal detainment.

From ICE's own government webpage:

ICE does not need judicial warrants to make arrests. Like all other law enforcement officers, ICE officers and agents can initiate consensual encounters and speak with people, briefly detain aliens when they have reasonable suspicion that the aliens are illegally present in the United States, and arrest people they believe are illegal aliens. ICE officers and agents can also detain and search people crossing the border.

They DID have the legal authority to approach her and ask her to show identification IF they actually suspected that her blonde-haired, pasty-white ass was an undocumented alien.

But instead of doing that, they charged her vehicle, drawing guns, screaming profanity, and attempting to force entry into her SUV without her consent. They then murdered her in cold blood when she tried to flee an unlawful detainment and attempted carjacking/kidnapping/whatever the fuck they were up to.

[Vedderman]

Dude, tell me you did not just spam the entire fucking page with ChatGPT slop.

I posted a direct quote from the ICE government page that discusses what authority they legally have with regard to detaining citizens.

Please do not spam the thread with ChatGPT slop. It is less than meaningless.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

ICE have no authority to detain ANYONE unless they know for a fact or have strong suspicion that they are actually illegals.

None. Zero. No authority. Illegal killing. Illegal forced entry into a private vehicle. Attempted illegal detainment.

From ICE's own government webpage:

ICE does not need judicial warrants to make arrests. Like all other law enforcement officers, ICE officers and agents can initiate consensual encounters and speak with people, briefly detain aliens when they have reasonable suspicion that the aliens are illegally present in the United States, and arrest people they believe are illegal aliens. ICE officers and agents can also detain and search people crossing the border.

They DID have the legal authority to approach her and ask her to show identification IF they actually suspected that her blonde-haired, pasty-white ass was an undocumented alien.

But instead of doing that, they charged her vehicle, drawing guns, screaming profanity, and attempting to force entry into her SUV without her consent.

It is sad that a life was lost, nobody is disagreeing with that.

Btw picture the following; an ICE agent is in a car blocking an anti-ICE protest.
The cops approach the vehicle and tell the ICE agent, who is dressed as a civilian to “get the fuck out of your vehicle”, the ICE agent then attempts to flee the scene and the police shoots him.

Would that serve him right for being a fascist, or would you consider that murder?

[DegoLocc]

Originally Posted by akham ↗

Boy, you're an idiot. Aside from those comments being unjustified, you are so incredibly stupid that by posting that you have now created a situation where you can be swiftly proven wrong in the event that you don't get banned for disagreeing with the particular admin you are referring to.

Writing a post that could immediately facilitate the comments in it being proven wrong is such an amazing level of stupidity.

Okay?

Feel better after your little vent? I sure hope so!

[Rikbikboo]

I dont understand it all but I know that the public have been trying to impede these people doing their "job". So what do I see in the video?.

I see a lady in her car blocking the road telling people to go round. So is she trying to turn around? Then clearly I can see what appears to be a government agent ordering her to stop the car and get out. She then tries to leave the scene.

Now I dont know about you but when I see what by all accounts are a type of law enforcement- armed at that telling me stop I think I will stop. The reason I would stop is because I dont want to get shot and the fact there are people recording all around me and members of the public I would hope me stopping, whether I am arrested or not would be enough to keep me safe.

Id like to know if she intentionally blocked the road.

Overall it appears to me a leyperson from the videos I have just watched that she could have stopped the car and complied. From the moment she drove towards that officer and made contact with her car she messed up.

Dont really think there is much else to it. regardless of whatever spin is put on it. She drove at the officer and essentially used the car as a weapon and thus fucked around and found out.

If you were shopping and got into an argument with a member of the public and they drove at you like that using their car vyou would want them arrested.

brought it on herself then. Sorry if anyone does'nt like it. When you are told to stop. Stop.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

It is sad that a life was lost, nobody is disagreeing with that.

Are you fucking kidding me? Half the bootlicking simps in this thread are literally stating that she deserved to die, got what was coming to her, and that all protestors should get the same.

Fuck off, I am not playing your disingenuous games tonight.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Dude, tell me you did not just spam the entire fucking page with ChatGPT slop.

I posted a direct quote from the ICE government page that discusses what authority they legally have with regard to detaining citizens.

Please do not spam the thread with ChatGPT slop. It is less than meaningless.

It doesn’t say anything about the citizens obstructing their work.

If the law states that they need to ask local police to detain citizens for obstructing their work, then the ICE agents are clearly in the wrong even more.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Are you fucking kidding me? Half the bootlicking simps in this thread are literally stating that she deserved to die, got what was coming to her, and that all protestors should get the same.

Fuck off, I am not playing your disingenuous games tonight.

Yeah that’s bad.

I understand the woman got into her car trying to help people (Btw absolutely love One Battle After Another; I’m 100% on the side of the Mexicans, Oscar for best movie surely). She didn’t mean any harm. I don’t believe the wanted to injure any officer even if she did by accident, it was never her full intention. I can understand that she was under a lot of stress.

The cops should have just jumped out of the way, maybe shoot her tires if they really needed to, or just arrest her at her house later if they had jurisdiction.

I’m afraid the cop will walk though. Maybe if this was during Biden he’d face prison, but under Trump they will go for the CHatGPT argument I’m afraid

[DegoLocc]

Originally Posted by akham ↗

Oh come on, it was perfectly clear who you were talking about.



No you were not. You're being pathetic with these weak attempts to dig yourself out of the hole you made for yourself.

And, as I mentioned in my previous post, your self-defeating post has proven that you were wrong.



Who cares. Don't like the way this site is being run? Go find another one, or start your own.



I don't think you can claim to be a "moderate" if you use a description like that in relation to the event being discussed in this thread.



None of that matters. Even if it was a lawful traffic stop, even if she was following and harassing ICE officers, none of that justifies shooting her.



Careful, your "moderate" disguise is starting to slip.

The shooting of that woman is IN NO WAY a political issue and whatever your political views are of the wider situation they DO NOT MATTER to the question of whether it was lawful for the ICE officer to shoot her.



That is absolutely correct, and interfering/obstructing is illegal and offenders can be arrested. However even if she was obstructing (and lets assume she was) that does not, in any way, justify shooting her.



I agree, however in most circumstances running from law enforcement is not justification for an offender to be shot. The exceptions are derived from Tennessee v. Garner, which is extremely relevant to the circumstances of this event.

The Court held that under the Fourth Amendment, police cannot use deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect unless the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical harm to the officer or others.

If the officer has such probable cause, then the use of deadly force may be warranted.

A legal analyst on CNN made the point that the "reasonableness" would be judged from the perspective of a reasonable law enforcement officer in the same situation as the one who fired.

That legal analyst then pointed out that (my words) conveniently there were other law enforcement officers present, and none of those other officers drew or fired their weapon. That is a strong clue as to how the reasonableness test might play out.



Only if you accept that it's OK for police to shoot people without legal justification. (I'm not at all suggesting that people should ignore police and speed off, BTW).

This was a back and forth between me and Vedd, what kind of a fucking weirdo sits here and has a rebuttal for everyone of my sentences, lmao.

Like bro, honestly I don't care at all what you think, and I ain't digging myself out of shit. I openly shared my criticisms of him as a poster, and was never worried about being banned.

You are a strange little person. It doesn't seem like you know to have a real conversation with someone. Just butting in on other ppls back and forths and breaking down every sentence and putting your 2 cents in when I assure you, neither party gives a shit.

Spare me your righteous morality. I don't need lectured from someone as mental as you.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by HIGHTECHDUDE ↗

Violent idiot deliberately violates lawful commands and aims a 2000 lb vehicle directly at a peace officer and hits him — Justifiable homicide all day long.

Now, start a "mostly peaceful" protest like usual and burn down minnesota...

BTW, if you have an alternative view, don't waste your time commenting to me. I've blocked all the bullshiters on this platform.

Hmm from this perspective she only rams him a tiny little bit.

I agree that if she wanted to kill them she could have run over the guy easily, also she could have took out a gun and shot the officers. My conclusion is that she didn’t want to kill anyone at least not on purpose