[HIGHTECHDUDE]

Absolutely deserved... FAFO

[fattubbashit]

HIGHTECH DUDE just got his ass handed to him royally.

And what a lame reply to that severe kicking

[akham]

Originally Posted by robot ↗

But they do not have rights to interfere in a police action or recklessly create a situation that escalated like that.

Irrelevant. Not grounds to shoot at her.

With no sound it looked like the victim was trying to merge into traffic from an intersection. With sound and full video you see an already chaotic scene of people yelling at a street full of agents' vehicles and the red suv leaving a parking space.

Irrelevant. Not grounds to shoot at her.

[/QUOTE]We do not know what happened but we do know the federal government and state government are at odds with each other on ICE enforcing current laws - the same laws they were enforcing under Obama.... whatever, i never follow the pack.[/QUOTE]

Irrelevant. Not grounds to shoot at her.

[akham]

Originally Posted by Bigred512 ↗

Right, because being in front of a vehicle leads you to automatically fix your eyes on the wheels and not the person/rest of the car. Hindsight is 20/20.

The most important point in this whole discussion, probably the only point that matters, is that if a law enforcement officer is going to pull their gun and shoot someone they're going to need to show that it was reasonable to do that.

Any law enforcement officer involved in that incident should have been watching the car closely to get an idea what might happen next - such as if the car drives off where will it go. If an officer had't been watching the front wheels of the car prior to it even beginning moving then its time to hang up the badge.

You're obviously arguing in bad faith...

Don't you presume to tell me what I am doing you fuckwit. If you don't like what I'm posting then boo hoo, but it does not mean I am doing anything in bad faith.

[akham]

Originally Posted by DegoLocc ↗

Thank you for acting like one instead of banning anyone who you disagree with in a fit of rage and power abuse like some admin are known to do.

Part of being deserving of power is being capable enough to wield it. And you seem to have that qualification covered.

Boy, you're an idiot. Aside from those comments being unjustified, you are so incredibly stupid that by posting that you have now created a situation where you can be swiftly proven wrong in the event that you don't get banned for disagreeing with the particular admin you are referring to.

Writing a post that could immediately facilitate the comments in it being proven wrong is such an amazing level of stupidity.

[Bigred512]

Originally Posted by akham ↗

Don't you presume to tell me what I am doing you fuckwit. If you don't like what I'm posting then boo hoo, but it does not mean I am doing anything in bad faith.

Quite ironic since you're literally putting words into my mouth and making wild assumptions in your first response. If we're resorting to personal insults, please divulge which year of gradeschool you dropped out of so I can properly teach you the importance of reading comprehension.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Self-defense, my balls. She was attempting to flee an unlawful detainment. ICEpiggie had zero authority to order her out of the vehicle.

I believe she was murdered because she 100% believes that ICE cannot detain anyone.

Is that true though? Not saying you are a liar, but in her state, if ICE has no authority to detain anyone obstructing their work, then they just murdered someone in cold daylight. If they have authority, then the family should sue all media which claimed otherwise IMO

[Faust]

*cold blood/broad daylight

[akham]

Originally Posted by DegoLocc ↗

I never mentioned you by name

Oh come on, it was perfectly clear who you were talking about.

I was speaking in general on places like reddit.

No you were not. You're being pathetic with these weak attempts to dig yourself out of the hole you made for yourself.

And, as I mentioned in my previous post, your self-defeating post has proven that you were wrong.

I don't think you should have banned anyone in this thread

Who cares. Don't like the way this site is being run? Go find another one, or start your own.

I am just a moderate tired of watching leftists try to interfere with Law Enforcement and then cry foul when they get the darwin award.

I don't think you can claim to be a "moderate" if you use a description like that in relation to the event being discussed in this thread.

Was she an innocent bystander there leaving her house? Or is there a history of her following around and impeding ICE officers that day larping "fighting fascism" for social media points?

None of that matters. Even if it was a lawful traffic stop, even if she was following and harassing ICE officers, none of that justifies shooting her.

The truth is we can't just have open borders and let anyone into the country without documentation. It's really that simple. If the Biden Harris admin didn't let over 10 million ppl into the country then there wouldn't have been this huge mess to clean up. And with a huge mess, things like this get messy.

Careful, your "moderate" disguise is starting to slip.

The shooting of that woman is IN NO WAY a political issue and whatever your political views are of the wider situation they DO NOT MATTER to the question of whether it was lawful for the ICE officer to shoot her.

Regardless, citizens and protestors need to stay out of the way and stop trying to interfere with federal agents acting on federal directives.

That is absolutely correct, and interfering/obstructing is illegal and offenders can be arrested. However even if she was obstructing (and lets assume she was) that does not, in any way, justify shooting her.

We also need to stop teaching our children that it's ok to run from law enforcement and to just comply and fight it later in a court setting.

I agree, however in most circumstances running from law enforcement is not justification for an offender to be shot. The exceptions are derived from Tennessee v. Garner, which is extremely relevant to the circumstances of this event.

The Court held that under the Fourth Amendment, police cannot use deadly force to stop a fleeing suspect unless the officer has probable cause to believe the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical harm to the officer or others.

If the officer has such probable cause, then the use of deadly force may be warranted.

A legal analyst on CNN made the point that the "reasonableness" would be judged from the perspective of a reasonable law enforcement officer in the same situation as the one who fired.

That legal analyst then pointed out that (my words) conveniently there were other law enforcement officers present, and none of those other officers drew or fired their weapon. That is a strong clue as to how the reasonableness test might play out.

If you teach your children that its ok to say fuck the cops and speed off in a vehicle when ordered to get out, they are literally rolling the dice on their lives. Common sense.

Only if you accept that it's OK for police to shoot people without legal justification. (I'm not at all suggesting that people should ignore police and speed off, BTW).

[akham]

Originally Posted by DegoLocc ↗

What I don't agree with is pushing back on them or actually trying to physically stop them from detaining people they have warrants to detain. You can think I am a "fascist" for that and I could say that you support "total anarchy" for you opinion on thinking that the public has any right to disrupt law enforcement on a state or federal level outside of a court room.

OK, but that's not in any way relevant as even if the victim was obstructing (and she may have been) that does not justify shooting her and it is not at all relevant to a decision to shoot her.

In the streets they (law enforcement) have total say on how it goes

NO THEY DO NOT. Back to school on that one.

It's not up to you or any other vigilante to take the law into their own hands and disrupt federal agents doing their job in the streets.

Agreed, but totally irrelevant. You may as well be debating the victim's fashion choices because none of that has any relevance whatsoever to the decision to shoot her.