[gatagato]

Sao Paulo – On Thursday, September 18th, an officer of the PM (Polícia Militar) executed a street vendor named Carlos Augusto Muniz Braga in broad daylight as he reached to grab a pepper spray canister that was pointed at his face – the incident was caught on camera (1:10):

Cláudia Silva Lopes, wife of Carlos says this isn’t nearly the first time her or her husband have been harassed and brutalized by the police. She says they even beat her while she was pregnant during a previous incident.

“Why does the government deploy police who are unprepared to deal with people? And now how will I sustain my three children?” Said Claudia, who has children aged 4, 9 and 12 years. She said that was not allowed to see her husband’s body.

Carlos was not working at the time, but he stopped to help when he saw three police officers harassing another street vendor as he was on the way to pick up one of his kids from school.

Street vendors are routinely harassed by police, but this incident is a result of a coordinated crack down on “illegal markets.”

The police officer has been arrested, and the mayor of Sao Paulo Fernando Haddad [from PT (Workers Party)]said this was just an isolated case. Of course we know this isn’t true – Brazilian police kill more suspected criminals than any other nation in the world, one in every 229 arrestees. Compare that to the United States which has its own epidemic of police violence, where only one out of 31,575 arrestees are murdered. During the year of 2008, Brazilian police murdered 1,137 people compared to 371 in the US.

This is just what’s been recorded on paper, at least 15 people go missing each day in Rio de Janeiro alone. In 2013 at least 5000 people went missing on record, and the blame is widely placed on police.


Carlos Augusto Muniz Braga, 30

[30564U]

I'm not real sure that this wasn't a completely justified shoot. In the US and Canada using pepper spray against an officer or trying to take a can of pepper spray away from an officer are both acts that can legally result in a deadly force response. For that matter so is trying to take (or actually taking) an officer's firearm or baton. Let me explain why...if you're armed and someone uses pepper spray on you, you're basically incapacitated...you can't shoot back, fist fight effectively, or otherwise protect your firearm/baton/pepper spray. Your firearm/baton/pepper spray are able to be taken from you while you're incapacitated.

As usual...if the idiot that got shot had just minded his own business or better yet just did what the officer told him to do and get back and stopped interfering...he'd still be alive today. He clearly was attempting either to take the officer's firearm or his pepper spray. The officer was fully within his rights to feel threatened by the growing hostile crowd and use his verbal commands to get back and deploy pepper spray to protect himself, the other officers present, and the bad guy. Why can't folks just mind their own business, quietly video record the incident, and let the arrest proceed without issue. If they feel the arrest was somehow wrong or illegal, then take the video and file a complaint. People need to stop interfering with police activity then bitch when something like this happens. That copper was fully within his legal rights to deploy pepper spray and draw his firearm to get people back and to stop interfering. What the fuck is wrong with people? Who cares what the police are doing to that guy...he was clearly struggling and resisting the officers...why would you interject yourself into that incident. Step back, shut up, video record, file a complaint if warranted. What dumbasses.

[30564U]

By the way...what a leftist anti-police article. Ham handed inflammatory words and sensationalism top to bottom. Thank god for the hero Mayor of Sao Paulo (from the way left leaning Worker's Party) for having the officer arrested. I'll lay odds that the officer will never be prosecuted or fired...he did nothing illegal.

[commondenom]

what the fuck did he expect?? when someone's waving a fucking gun around you leave the area, simple!!

[icheerthebull]

someone grabs your hand (a hand brandishing a weapon at bystanders in a crowded area) and its ok to murder him??

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

By the way...what a leftist anti-police article. Ham handed inflammatory words and sensationalism top to bottom. Thank god for the hero Mayor of Sao Paulo (from the way left leaning Worker's Party) for having the officer arrested. I'll lay odds that the officer will never be prosecuted or fired...he did nothing illegal.

not in brazil anyway, they murdered hundereds of homless kids before the rio summit in 92 and everyone was cool with that so you are 100% right, nothing will happen to him. Pro police or anti police everyone can agree that cop is a fucking pussy

[TheUnlord]

With the abundance of police brutality that happens around the world I'm usually on the side of the victim. Here we have a cop in a high stress situation. He turns his head and someone lunges at him. All he knows at that point is someone is attacking him while he has his gun drawn. If someone did that to me, with my gun on them, that would just tell me that this person doesn't care about their safety, let alone mine, and they're going to do whatever it takes to turn the tables. Justified!

[30564U]

Originally Posted by icheerthebull ↗

someone grabs your hand (a hand brandishing a weapon at bystanders in a crowded area) and its ok to murder him??



not in brazil anyway, they murdered hundereds of homless kids before the rio summit in 92 and everyone was cool with that so you are 100% right, nothing will happen to him. Pro police or anti police everyone can agree that cop is a fucking pussy

Obviously you have an agenda. I thought I laid out exactly what happened from a simple, clean, unemotional, and logical manner. Apparently you're going to just ignor what I said and go with the "cops are bad" defense. I don't make the laws and policies that police use...I can just explain them. If you wish to wet you diapers and stomp your feet then go for it...see how much good it does. If, on the other hand, you want to actually change something and help, get involved and learn why officers behave and react the way they do. Don't just assume and fall back of the "police are evil" mantra...learn what's going on. Not every police incident is a "conspiracy" or crime. Sometimes shit just happens, but the more you emotionally cream about something...the more most folks will begin to just get used to the noise and ignore you. I have thirty years of investigating police use of force incidents, I've testified in Federal and State courts in numerous states and even in Canada. I've studied how and why officers react the way they do and what training can do to help or hinder certain incidents. I've worked hard to establish myself and study what really happens in use of force and deadly force incidents. What have you done to back up your claims? What courses or training have you taken to enhance your premises? Get what I'm getting at? You need to get involved and change things if you feel so strongly about police brutality not simply post comments that you feel are correct. Look at these cases one at a time, without emotion, without prior agenda, and with knowledge of what should have happened. Please stop automatically assuming the cop was at fault or wrong without hard evidence and scientific reasoning.

[destroom101]

I'm no fan of the police, but this looks like a "clean" shoot to me...

[CuriousCanadian]

and all the experts using their phones to record shit, text, etc etc - yet not one of them knows how to stop the bleeding, or to provide any medical attention.

[30564U]

Originally Posted by CuriousCanadian ↗

and all the experts using their phones to record shit, text, etc etc - yet not one of them knows how to stop the bleeding, or to provide any medical attention.

Yup...I find that to be the most repugnant aspect of this current generation. They'd rather video record something than put the fuck'n phone down and participate in life. All those idiots standing in a circle jerk, video recording the cops...for what purpose and why so close? Meanwhile the innocent "honor student" bleeds out in the street without one person rendering aid. It says a lot about the cultural norms in Brazil. What a cesspool.