[Rejeg]

I hope the victim of this shooting wins his lawsuit.

[chewbacca]

It's standard protocol to cuff them, even if their brains are blown out.

[oMelton420o]

If someone has a gun pointed at you .... especially a cop, would probably be smart to listen.

[wileecoyote1969]

Mmmmmmmm naaaaahhh guns are the problem. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people - but the gun sure helps a lot".
The one caveat to the "guns aren't the problem" argument is that if guns REALLY weren't that effective in helping one man kill a lot of people, the military would not be using them. Pretty much end of argument there. And no I don't support gun bans, I just don't support arguments that ignore basic facts.

Originally Posted by docfr8 ↗

Really????????

Guns are not the problem.. Its the moron that operates the weapon..

Just because your country doesn't have the right to have their own weapons mean that its the correct way.. Even if we had laws that prohibited the possession of firearms, it would not stop the violence..

Fact is, there are too many guns in the U.S. to remove and it would be impossible to even put a 50% dent in that if we prohibited gun ownership.

We used our guns to drive away the tyrants and make our own country.. We used are guns in all the major conflicts worldwide.. It is what it is..

Dont be resentful at the gun.. Be resentful at the man behind the gun

[docfr8]

Originally Posted by wileecoyote1969 ↗

Mmmmmmmm naaaaahhh guns are the problem. "Guns don't kill people, people kill people - but the gun sure helps a lot".
The one caveat to the "guns aren't the problem" argument is that if guns REALLY weren't that effective in helping one man kill a lot of people, the military would not be using them. Pretty much end of argument there. And no I don't support gun bans, I just don't support arguments that ignore basic facts.

and the basic fact is it is completely dependent upon the individual who uses the weapon.

[n2ecosystems]

Doesn't seem like they even asked him to drop his weapon. I don't know, but it seems like cops these days are trigger happy.

[drusilladimitria]

Anyone saying that the guy only had a knife so shouldn't have been shot is wrong. Do you know how fast people can run if they have the intention of killing?
http://www.your-krav-maga-expert.com/gun-vs-knife.html

Against a knife the situation is even worse. If you rely only upon your handgun – you just might get killed. Most people, law enforcement included, have no idea how fast a knife wielding assailant can move. In a blink of an eye he can be upon you. I have seen police videos of actual stabbings and it is frightening. I have seen multiple armed police officers getting stabbed one after another, afraid to open fire since the assailant 'only' has a knife. Finally someone realizes that a knife is a formidable weapon against a gun, and shoots the guy.

If you have a hand gun, realize that it does not provide absolute protection against a knife, especially as the distance decreases.

Tueller's drill

Personal Safety Expert Professor Arthur Cohen introduced me to the concept known as Tueller's drill. It is a drill which shows that most people can cover 21 feet in about 1.5 seconds.

Sgt. Dennis Tueller of Salt Lake City Police Department conducted experiments which let to the conclusion that an attacker with a knife in his hand covers 21 feet in 1.5 seconds. Therefore anything under 21 feet is considered to be in the zone of "imminent danger of death or great bodily harm."

In other words a person with a knife or any edged weapon is a direct and imminent threat to you if that person is within 21 feet (7 yards).

Research shows that a person with a knife who is closer than 7 yards can stab or cut you before you can stop them with a gun.

Most police officers, even with the gun already in hand, cannot hit a target twice before the "assailant" can cover 10 yards.

Cutting that distance down to around 7 yards takes lots of practice and training.

So, you see, "primitive" weapons are deadly weapons. That is why in Krav Maga we spend a lot of time working on knife defense.

All the the knife wielding assailant has to do is get within 7 yards before rushing you and you are in mortal danger.

[FavaBeans]

...ok that first guy was done when the cops handcuffed him...but i understand the cops have procedure and stuff like that....

[fv_]

Originally Posted by Rejeg ↗

I hope the victim of this shooting wins his lawsuit.

i second that.

[smackem]

Originally Posted by Illusion ↗

Except for the fact that the cop didn't say "drop the brake pad or stone"...he had already made his mind up the guy had a gun, even though there had been no mention of a gun in the report.

You shoot at people with REAL guns....even if they don't fire them.

Also, the victim was 30 yards away so the cop was in no danger even if it was knife.

STFU...DOC spoke, much wiser than yourself.