[ali_ihsan21]

In such a situation in Turkey cop would go and try to take the knife from the guy and usually cop would stabbed on the chest and die then they would either shot him or shot him

[lion]

sux

[30564U]

Originally Posted by OneSkiWonder ↗

You don't shoot to wound, you shoot to kill. A wounded man can still pull a trigger.

Read the prior comments...PLEASE. It's never been "shoot to kill", it's always been "shoot to stop the threat". Where does this shit keep coming from?

[30564U]

Originally Posted by cortdb ↗

it took the first cop to get 20 fucking steps to get to the guy... 20 steps! thats murder. People will say he can cover that ground in SECONDS but it only takes a millisecond to pull a damn trigger. Abuse of power right here.

There's a police training video out there on YouTube that shows how the distance vs reaction thing works. It's an old video, but it gathered the info from hundreds and hundreds of shootings involving knives vs officers over many years. You might no agree with the distances, but I can verify first hand that the scale is accurate. I almost got sliced and diced years ago...and I have extremely fast reflexes and a very very fast draw and firearm presentation. I got the guy...but not by much. It's hard to understand how very dangerous a knife wielding bad guy is unless you've seen what they can do and just how fast they can do it. I personally would much rather face a bad guy with a firearm than knife. Knives never run out of ammo. But I can understand why you feel the way you do...it's just hard to explain how dangerous a situation that guy posed to the officers and the dog. Ideally, they should've had less lethal weapons, but in some areas they don't. Everyone should be responsible for their own actions...Mr. Hall was just fucked up...he made a series of very critical errors and paid the price. There is no guarantee that local police will react according to the script.

[Oswald2001]

This is how Trayvon Martins often end up.

Or OD'd.

Or of alcoholism.

Or in prison.

Or killed by one of their homies.

Or killed in commission an burglary or armed robbery.


It not da po po.

It cuz da Black *******.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by jerzpilot ↗

really? so that's the policy shoot to kill, not to immobilize?

Where I live it is. There is no such thing as shooting to wound.

The cops are trained to shoot in volleys, and aim for the kill. If they hit your arm or leg, it was by accident.

In the end it was his decision to advance on a cop that aiming a gun at him. He wrote his own death certificate.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by 30564U ↗

Read the prior comments...PLEASE. It's never been "shoot to kill", it's always been "shoot to stop the threat". Where does this shit keep coming from?

That's just doublespeak though isn't it?

Regardless of if you call it stopping the threat or shooting to kill, it means shooting the person in a vital area so as to immediately incapacitate them.

Not that there's anything wrong with that

[rob666]

Originally Posted by nyazzip ↗

legal or not, the cops were cowards here. the guy looked like he was maybe 5'5", and he WALKED a step or two to the side, not towards the cops. was he LEGALLY and TECHNICALLY not allowed to do that? sure. but just because the cops had the legal/technical option to fire, doesn't mean it was a decision that i can support, every time, no questions asked.
i'll tell you this, i'm not even a tough guy, but if i had a kevlar vest on and kevlar gloves, a cocked and loaded pistol in my hand, a belt with a taser/cuffs/pepper spray on it, and there were 6-8 guys next to me with the same armament, i wouldn't have pissed my pants due to that guy's actions in the video, period. at the time he was shot it is a very big stretch to say he was an ACTUAL "threat". technically, yes, he had a little knife and resisted arrest, but in the context of that video clip, the cops fucked up.
i really don't feel like i have a "gut hatred of cops", its just that i never have been one, so i am free to observe their actions in an unbiased manner. i understand they have to, and should, use deadly force quite often. but in this case they did not have to, and i'm calling them on it.

It's easy to say until you find yourself in that situation. Chances are in the law enforcement profession, you're gong to know coworkers that were shot, stabbed, and otherwise got fucked up doing their job. So when a guy pulls a knife on you, and ignores you when you ask him to drop it, how long are you going to wait? How close are you gong to let him get to you?

Bottom line is don't go threatening cops with knives, and if a cop tells to to drop a weapon do it.
As soon as he/she feels the situation is under control, it should deescalate.

[Lambiesinclair]

did he have a gun or somehting else? if it wasnt a gun, they could of just tased him and arrested him.

[mentalFloss]

why not just shoot him in the ass