[Dmocecil]

No one talks about the issues of child abuse and neglect. I've had the misfortune to live in a large central California city. As you know, California loves to support the dregs of society. There were hundreds if not thousands, of teenagers and young adults with gaggles of kids, no education and no job. Half of their kids are little gangbangers in the making the other half have physical and/or mental problems. ALL of them will be second or third generation welfare recipients for life and we'll support many in prison. Pro life folks don't worry about the baby AFTER its born! I've seen "grandparents" (I use that term loosely!) who are in their early 30's!!! Their kids breed just like the parents, as soon as puberty hits, they start popping them out, all with different "baby daddies". I, for one, do not want to support someone else's kids! As a single father, I raised my son with a good education, morals, values, manners, ect.....why? because I cared. Why force someone that doesn't care, to give birth? Doesn't make sense to me!

[mintycbo]

So..here comes my useless two cents...
Thinking outside the box.

So? woman can have an abortion... what if the man wants to keep the baby? he doesn't get a say?
or..
What if? the man wants an abortion? once more..no say for him...

I wouldn't want any of my children to have been aborted.
(I have 2 kids.)
But just something that comes to mind when I read/hear pro-choice/pro-life battles...
No one ever thinks about what the father may or may not want...

Same woman that will keep the kid the man doesn't want will be quick as shit to go for support... (I know...he can terminate his rights.. but he'll have to do some responsible thing like meeting the kid when he/she is 18+ yrs old and they hunt him down..)
As will, the same woman who wants to go out and party and be irresponsible will get an abortion even if the man wants to keep/raise said child. etc.

Just my fucked up view on things...

[11B2P]

Originally Posted by a175 ↗

+1 billion
To clarify, I don't support "recreational" abortion, if that term makes any sense. However, if I'm to tell a woman that if she partakes in it because she doesn't feel like she can afford the child, and my reasons for making it illegal are founded upon religion-based moral code and "life is precious", then I should be obligated to help care for the child. It's hypocrisy at its finest.

During pregnancy it's "Abortion is murder, life is precious, you have to have that baby."
After delivery it's "Good luck, you poor bastard, your momma should have been more responsible."

If life truly is precious, then it is precious at any age, in any color, and beyond all borders.

Exactly + 1 Trillion

[SidneyJeanFail]

I am a firm believer in pro choice. Another woman's body is none of my business and what she chooses to do is between her and whatever God she believes in. I personally could and never would have an abortion. I am personally not mentally strong for that. It's not your vagina worry about your own.

[girliegirl]

[MarysGirl]

Originally Posted by flyflicker123 ↗

But either way or time...YOUR killing your own child.Bottom line.

So what? You don't seem to get all the thousands of ways pregnancies can go horribly wrong. Something the size of an egg or smaller doesn't have more rights than the mother.

[MarysGirl]

Originally Posted by mintycbo ↗

So..here comes my useless two cents...
Thinking outside the box.

So? woman can have an abortion... what if the man wants to keep the baby? he doesn't get a say?
or..
What if? the man wants an abortion? once more..no say for him...

I wouldn't want any of my children to have been aborted.
(I have 2 kids.)
But just something that comes to mind when I read/hear pro-choice/pro-life battles...
No one ever thinks about what the father may or may not want...

Same woman that will keep the kid the man doesn't want will be quick as shit to go for support... (I know...he can terminate his rights.. but he'll have to do some responsible thing like meeting the kid when he/she is 18+ yrs old and they hunt him down..)
As will, the same woman who wants to go out and party and be irresponsible will get an abortion even if the man wants to keep/raise said child. etc.

Just my fucked up view on things...

Men don't get a say unless the woman wants to let him have one. No, my rapist doesn't get to insist I bear his child so he can sue for custody to have his own new personal victim at home.

The average women who has an abortion is in a relationship and already has children but cannot take care or support another one.

[honeysprite]

Originally Posted by winvens ↗

God also made Eve from one of Adam's ribs, made wearing clothes made of mixed fibres a no-no, and gave his kid the ability to pull cool party tricks like morphing water into wine.

To reiterate khiarhu, just because a seed germinates doesn't mean it's a mature plant; it has the potential to be a plant. Fertilized ova are potential organisms.

If you think God made Eve from Adam's rib you've got more problems than this debate can handle.

[doslotus]

If it can't survive without me, it's none of your business.

[winvens]

Originally Posted by honeysprite ↗

If you think God made Eve from Adam's rib you've got more problems than this debate can handle.

Like believing in fairy tales as an adult.