[bookhook]

Did she piss herself or I'm seeing some shade from the denim?

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by bookhook ↗

Did she piss herself or I'm seeing some shade from the denim?

Yes, she did urinate on herself. It's pretty apparent in almost every single photo, some moreso than others.

Loss of bladder control is a fairly common physical reaction to a young woman being strangled to death by kidnappers, at least in my experience from researching and compiling these cases here.

[wildaxboxer]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Yes, she did urinate on herself. It's pretty apparent in almost every single photo, some moreso than others.

Loss of bladder control is a fairly common physical reaction to a young woman being strangled to death by kidnappers, at least in my experience from researching and compiling these cases here.

Your going to be answering that piss question, from your retirement home

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by wildaxboxer ↗

Your going to be answering that piss question, from your retirement home

LOL It certainly does get asked an awful lot.

To be honest, I sort of thought it was very plain to see in this set of images, but whatever. No skin off my nose to answer it. I'm generally just pleased that people take the time to look at the pics and comment topically.

That said, I guess I am periodically surprised at how many folks seem shocked or confused by perimortem bladder/bowel voids. I figured that was entry level stuff for someone interested in a site like this, but that's fine. Like I said, doesn't bother me to answer questions about the posts.

I get far more frustrated by putting in hours of research and translations and getting almost no comments at all than I ever do about answering the same death-related questions multiple times.

[murofhsirgo]

Thrown there in the garbage.. I agree that they probably had no intention of returning her.

[wildaxboxer]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

LOL It certainly does get asked an awful lot.

To be honest, I sort of thought it was very plain to see in this set of images, but whatever. No skin off my nose to answer it. I'm generally just pleased that people take the time to look at the pics and comment topically.

That said, I guess I am periodically surprised at how many folks seem shocked or confused by perimortem bladder/bowel voids. I figured that was entry level stuff for someone interested in a site like this, but that's fine. Like I said, doesn't bother me to answer questions about the posts.

I get far more frustrated by putting in hours of research and translations and getting almost no comments at all than I ever do about answering the same death-related questions multiple times.

Yes it must be annoying getting asked the same basic question, time and time again, you can understand the angel lust boner catching people out, but what do they expect when a body has no life in it, everything to stay in bloody place ..
Have to wonder if most of them know how a living body functions on a daily bases

I had firsthand experience of this 6-7 years ago. My mother inlaw passed away while sitting on the couch, everything that could have went wrong that morning, did go wrong, end up we sat with her for more than 3hrs, cops on scene were very good, anyway undertaker turns up eventually, to takes her away, obviously had a little mess to mop up, so we waited in other room...My wife actually whispered in my ear "Bryan whats that smell"..there was no easy way to tell her, that her lovely spotless, OCD mother had shit her self...maybe i could have worded it differently ..but thats how it came out

I enjoy your posts, like the stories that you attach, when you can find the info...this sight would be lost without your imput

[Ted Sheckler]

She had a nice little rump.

[piepants]

Originally Posted by Vedderman ↗

Hahahaahha. You need to watch more cartel vids.

Yeah, maybe they had their shit wired tight back when Los Zetas were still paramilitary and Z-7 and Z-9 had control. But these days? Don't get me wrong...they get the job done. But it's not elegant and it isn't even remotely professional. Watch some of the beheading videos sometime. ;) There are still pros in the bunch, of course. But there are a LOT of rookies. Half the guys they have doing hits are like 16 years old.

Further, there is absolutely no sign that this murder was Cartel related. The dad isn't a known affiliate (and there aren't really any 'secret' affiliates on the lower levels) and the victim was a teenage student who went to a college prep school.

Chances are that these were a couple of bumblefuck halfwits who had never staged a successful kidnapping before. Very possible that she was targeted BECAUSE she attended a prep school with a financial entry fee. They just assumed dad had more money than he did. Even if the Cartel has its (dwindling) share of professional criminals left, the thriving Kidnap racket down in Mexico is notoriously amateurish.

There was one case about 18 months ago (no good pics so not posted here) where the idiots left a bag on the victim's head for too long and she suffocated in the trunk of the car while they were driving to the drop.

I suppose that makes sense. For every one professional there are few amateurs.

[wolfie]

I could be mistaking but the spot on her face appears to be postmortem and from something other than a punch. Almost like an abrasion from dragging though her clothes don't appear to support that theory. Like to see her face up. Good find.

[Vedderman]

Originally Posted by wolfie ↗

I could be mistaking but the spot on her face appears to be postmortem and from something other than a punch. Almost like an abrasion from dragging though her clothes don't appear to support that theory. Like to see her face up. Good find.

Yeah, I thought the same, but the view isn't all the best. Official police statement said, however, that her only injuries were a few 'minor abrasions from beatings' to the face. They didn't actually even specifically mention ligature marks and various sites used alternately reported her death as being 'strangulation' or 'suffocation.' Without a better look at her neck, it'd be hard to say for sure. Though in my experience, they almost always leaves the bags over their head for the body dump when they suffocate them to death.

Like you said, it would have been helpful in analyzing the scene if we could have seen her face up. The only released images of her lying face up are all completely censored or cropped, unfortunately.

The police do believe that she was murdered in the back seat of the vehicle and then dumped by the road, so I don't think there was much dragging of the corpse. So hard to tell, though.