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Re: Postmortem Changes and Time of Death

Fig. 41 made me jump. That has never happened to me before.
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Cool!!! Its kind of useful.. btw I wanna that book!!!!!!
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Great post
after looking at these photos and decomposition photos, it triggers memory of the Scott Peterson case where Laci Peterson badly decomposed body was found in April, disappeared Dec. Thats nearly 3.5 months and they say that her body was badly decomposed but to this day i am still baffled how a fetus would float to the bay shore intact or even remain intact.
I am not a guilty or not guilty participant, its just the time she disappeared she was 32 weeks pregnant, and we are expected to believe that a fetus stayed in the uterus the whole time until the day they found it on the shore being called coffin birth.
Not trying to rehash an old case, but can anyone explain why the fetus would be in the condition it is in 4 months later

extract from http://www.findlaci2003.us/prelim-da...sy-conner.html
When Judge Al Girolami asked Peterson if it was his desire to leave the courtroom
during that section, he replied: “Yes, I do not wish to be present during this witness.”
His parents, Lee and Jackie Peterson, remained in the courtroom.

Laci Peterson’s remains were severely decomposed. Her head, hands, feet and
part of her lower left leg were missing, Brian Peterson testified. He said there was
no sign of cuts or bullet wounds. And testified that the water had washed away any
evidence of how Laci was killed by the time her body was found.

He said he could not determine if three of her ribs were broken before or after she was killed.
The coroner ruled the death a homicide, but did not offer a cause.

Almost all major internal organs were gone, leaving the torso skeletal, Brian Peterson said.
The only internal organ that remained was the uterus, still attached to her empty midsection
after months in the water, he said, adding that there were no indications it had been cut.


“My belief is that (the) uterus was intact at the time this body was deposited in the water,”
Brian Peterson said. “I believe Conner was in that uterus.” He also said there
was “no signs” of a vaginal birth. But under cross examination by Geragos,
Brian Peterson said he could not rule out that Conner Peterson had been born alive.

His remains showed considerably less decomposition than hers, a phenomenon Brian Peterson
said could be attributed to the baby’s body remaining protected inside the womb until a few
days before it was found. There was ¼-inch of umbilical cord attached to the fetus. The end was
tattered and frayed, which is consistent with tearing but not cutting, Brian Peterson said.

In his report, Brian Peterson indicated that Conner appeared to be nine months old
at the time of death. A forensic anthropologist who examined the remains later
and measured bones estimated the age at between 34 to 40 weeks, with
most bones estimated at being 35 weeks old or higher, Brian Peterson said.

Geragos also pointed to a bag found with duct tape attached to it in “the vicinity” of the bodies.
The remains were found in April just over a mile apart along the bay’s eastern shoreline.


... is it possible for this to happen? anyone in here with the knowledge and expertise to back this up?
how is it possible for a fetus to remain in the uterus this whole time
how is it possible for a fragile fetus who has been dead for approx 12-14 weeks can be intact enough to float ashore, over a rocky bay mind you...
how is it possible say coffin birth did happen that the fetus floated for 2 days to be found on a rocky shore

you guys may have been through all this in the past, sorry about that, but nearly 12 years later, the fetus scenario still intrigues me

would love some replies that can put this to rest for me

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I found the explanation below which said they later ruled out coffin birth but said gasses from decomposition caused the adominal cavity to rupture washing out internal organs and the baby. Her body was tied down with cement buckets or something and decomposition and skin slippage caused part if it to break free leaving part of the body. He would have been in a bit better shape being shielded for a while in the womb. The chances of finding either were so slim I always felt it was fate or just the right set of circumstances: tide going the right way at right time and bodies being found so soon.


[QUOTE]In April 2003, the body of Laci Peterson washed up on a shore near San Francisco Bay; she had been pregnant when she disappeared four months earlier, and the fetus she had been carrying was discovered on a separate beach. When questioned by the media, medical authorities initially speculated that a "coffin birth" might have occurred.[32] However, at autopsy the cervix was found to be in a prepartum condition. Medical examiners later concluded that while Peterson's body was in the bay, the skin over the abdominal cavity had ruptured due to natural decompositional processes. Seawater entered the abdominal cavity and washed out most of the internal organs, along with the fetus.[QUOTE]
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i like the calvin klein pic.
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Disgusting, the only time I'd want to end up like that is if I died and my dog had eaten me if he was starving.
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Interesting post.
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That poor child covered by ants.....
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Excellent post! I found everything in this interesting.
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[quote=morbid75;4382283]I found the explanation below which said they later ruled out coffin birth but said gasses from decomposition caused the adominal cavity to rupture washing out internal organs and the baby. Her body was tied down with cement buckets or something and decomposition and skin slippage caused part if it to break free leaving part of the body. He would have been in a bit better shape being shielded for a while in the womb. The chances of finding either were so slim I always felt it was fate or just the right set of circumstances: tide going the right way at right time and bodies being found so soon.

Thank you for taking the time
I find the body being tied with cement was not accurate as laci body was badly decomposed and would have freed from the "cement buckets" ages before
the gasses releasing the fetus - i doubt this as this would not have occurred with that much decomposition
I have researched decomposition in utero and with the mother alive, decomposition would have been worse at 8 weeks let alone the mother dead as well
from all the research i have done and not saying i am an expert, but laci and fetus (baby) did not die that night or that month.
What I question more is the fact this fragile fetus washed ashore over those rocks in the image... and remain intact!
I am not a scott peterson fan - i am very intrigued and interested more in the decomposition in utero/12 weeks or slightly more that this fetus remaining intact washing ashore - until i hear a more rational reason - it will continue to bug me

[QUOTE]In April 2003, the body of Laci Peterson washed up on a shore near San Francisco Bay; she had been pregnant when she disappeared four months earlier, and the fetus she had been carrying was discovered on a separate beach. When questioned by the media, medical authorities initially speculated that a "coffin birth" might have occurred.[32] However, at autopsy the cervix was found to be in a prepartum condition. Medical examiners later concluded that while Peterson's body was in the bay, the skin over the abdominal cavity had ruptured due to natural decompositional processes. Seawater entered the abdominal cavity and washed out most of the internal organs, along with the fetus.
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