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Ya know, I am a Republican but I'm thinking of changing to the liberal or progressive side of things w/ some of these comments.

[Brometheus]

Originally Posted by diamondsmiles ↗

Things are tough. Perhaps he couldn't find another job and snapped!

yep.. this exactly. its been a year since he was let go. plus he was in his 50s.. i imagine its tougher for elder people to find a job, much less in a profession they went to college for. ESPECIALLY the fashion industry.

[minka1]

Any apologies given to the innocent bystanders shot, injured and traumatized by our fine NYC cops?

[DiamondSmiles]

Originally Posted by minka1 ↗

Any apologies given to the innocent bystanders shot, injured and traumatized by our fine NYC cops?

For one of the shooters, it was his first actual time shooting at a person. 16 shots for 1 guy?!?!?

[DiamondSmiles]

Originally Posted by Brometheus ↗

yep.. this exactly. its been a year since he was let go. plus he was in his 50s.. i imagine its tougher for elder people to find a job, much less in a profession they went to college for. ESPECIALLY the fashion industry.

It is harder. I know a guy looking for work. He had to leave a great job due to medical issues and can't find another job.

Even before it got this bad and my company closed down, companies were getting rid of high paid older workers to hire kids out of high school or college and paying them dirt with no benefits.

Sometimes, you get what you pay for.

[Zambini]

Originally Posted by diamondsmiles ↗

For one of the shooters, it was his first actual time shooting at a person. 16 shots for 1 guy?!?!?

Spray and pray, a common police tactic.

Look at the latest video, the guy was just standing there when the police shot him(and everybody else) too.

[SalemSaberhagen]

Originally Posted by HulkSmashYOUUUU ↗

Take a look at what happened in Australia.. they got their guns taken away and robberies/home invasions increased nearly 50%!!! The right to bear arms is for the people to protect themselves from their enemies, foreign and domestic. You can ban guns all you want, but you are really hurting the people. The criminals will still have them.. and not only will you have the criminals to worry about but your federal government as well.

These shootings are happening because the government needs to get the guns out of the American people's hands.

As an AUSTRALIAN, I can tell you that is ABSOLUTE.....FUCKING......BULLSHIT! In FACT, I was coming on here to say "Only in America" and BRAG about us having the LOWEST rate of robberies, muggings and invasions in the western world.

America needs to grow up, get rid of their guns, and join civilised countries like Australia where gun crime simply doesn't happen anymore. Its been a SUCCESS story over here. Even my parents were talking yesterday about how VIOLENT and gun-happy and murder-happy the crazy yanks are. Normal people simply cannot understand America and their sick obsession with guns. America has the highest gun crime rate of any western country. In Japan, they too, like Australia, don't have the public owning guns; gun crime there is virtually non-existent. Its a simple MATHEMATICAL EQUATION. Remove guns from people, equals less guns, equals less lunatics who can gain them (legal OR otherwise) equals less gun CRIME. Very simple but the murderous gUnhappy States of America simply don't respond like civilised people in a civilised first world western country. Not only have we solved our gun crime problem, greatly reduced home invasions and robberies, but crimes that RESULT IN DEATH have massively decreased.

Australia, is a success story that the gUnhappy States of America needs to watch, observe, learn from and follow our lead. There is NO EXCUSE for a civilian to have a hand gun. None whatsoever in 2012. Americans are truly violent and we down here feel a sense of relief everytime we read about YET ANOTHER yank mass shooting, and we shake our heads and wonder when the neanderthal Americans will grow up, mature and ban guns. I thank God that I live in a stable country, free from fear of being shot to death and one who does not have the issues the gUnhappy States of America does. Australia is the trailblazer and America is looked down on by normal modern western civilised countries.

[SalemSaberhagen]

And by the way, that pathetic little argument about guns not killing people is like saying; heroin (by itself) doesn't kill people, people who distribute/take heroin kill people/themselves. So lets LEGALISE heroin!

Completely PISSWEAK and IMMATURE reasoning. The fact is, knives are not made with the PURPOSE of killing a human. Neither are baseball bats. But GUNS *ARE*! And if you're shot in the head or chest by a bullet - thats it. All over red rover. BUT, if you're knived you may have time to get to the hospital, death is not instantaneous. Same with a baseball bat. It can't kill you. Unless great force is used, and struggling can provide the victim time to escape that a split second bullet blowing your brains out acrosss a wall can't. Guns have a greater capacity to kill than other weapons and provide less survival times for the victim. Guns are weapons DESIGNED for ONE PURPOSE *ONLY*. To kill. Almost every third movie from America has a gun involved somewhere.

What happens in America if there is an armed robbery, and the robber has a gun - and you have a gun? Isn't that like, a stalemate? Hes pointing a handgun at you, you're pointing a handgun at him; so, THEN what happens? First person to blink er, shoot, loses or wins? Seriously, THEN what? Where is the benefit to the home owner? Total stalemate.

In Australia, even in the cities, you'd be hard-pressed to find one person who has seen a gun up close in real life, let alone touched one, except on a police officer's holster. I lived in the city and now the country, and I've yet to meet one person who has touched a gun or saw one except for in an American movie or a book or photograph. And thats the way I like it and I think we all do here, because we feel SAFE. I cannot comprehend it being any other way. It just......doesn't compute with me. Its too foreign/alien a concept.

To my non-American thinking, it would take a very low and immoral person, a very blood-thirsty person to even want to own a gun. You'd have to have something wrong with you to start with, surely. As an Australian, I simply cannot understand why anyone would even WANT to touch one or own one, I don't understand that mindset and I hope I never do; Australians are soooooooooo different from Americans in that respect. Because I/we honestly cannot grasp the mindset where owning a gun is ok, and where a normal, rational, well-balanced non-violent human being would even want to touch one let alone own one, and I truly thank God each and every day that is my disposition, having grown up in a safe, stable, secure and sane environment called Australia. Because we truly are The Lucky Country.

PS Sorry if my anti-American rant upset some, but seeing someone, especially a gun apologist, misrepresent and lie about MY COUNTRY, and to support something so evil, really lit a fire under me. Its one thing to lie about someone else's country, but to do so for evil: to further violence and gun ownership? That added insult and really upset and angered me as an Australian. Not cool.

[hippl5]

Originally Posted by SalemSaberhagen ↗

RANT

Because maybe you just like shooting targets at ranges, and don't want to be treated like a criminal for wanting to do so, and not being trusted because of it.

[Zambini]

Originally Posted by SalemSaberhagen ↗

And by the way, that pathetic little argument about guns not killing people is like saying; heroin (by itself) doesn't kill people, people who distribute/take heroin kill people/themselves. So lets LEGALISE heroin!

Completely PISSWEAK and IMMATURE reasoning. The fact is, knives are not made with the PURPOSE of killing a human. Neither are baseball bats. But GUNS *ARE*! And if you're shot in the head or chest by a bullet - thats it. All over red rover. BUT, if you're knived you may have time to get to the hospital, death is not instantaneous. Same with a baseball bat. It can't kill you. Unless great force is used, and struggling can provide the victim time to escape that a split second bullet blowing your brains out acrosss a wall can't. Guns have a greater capacity to kill than other weapons and provide less survival times for the victim. Guns are weapons DESIGNED for ONE PURPOSE *ONLY*. To kill. Almost every third movie from America has a gun involved somewhere.

What happens in America if there is an armed robbery, and the robber has a gun - and you have a gun? Isn't that like, a stalemate? Hes pointing a handgun at you, you're pointing a handgun at him; so, THEN what happens? First person to blink er, shoot, loses or wins? Seriously, THEN what? Where is the benefit to the home owner? Total stalemate.

In Australia, even in the cities, you'd be hard-pressed to find one person who has seen a gun up close in real life, let alone touched one, except on a police officer's holster. I lived in the city and now the country, and I've yet to meet one person who has touched a gun or saw one except for in an American movie or a book or photograph. And thats the way I like it and I think we all do here, because we feel SAFE. I cannot comprehend it being any other way. It just......doesn't compute with me. Its too foreign/alien a concept.

To my non-American thinking, it would take a very low and immoral person, a very blood-thirsty person to even want to own a gun. You'd have to have something wrong with you to start with, surely. As an Australian, I simply cannot understand why anyone would even WANT to touch one or own one, I don't understand that mindset and I hope I never do; Australians are soooooooooo different from Americans in that respect. Because I/we honestly cannot grasp the mindset where owning a gun is ok, and where a normal, rational, well-balanced non-violent human being would even want to touch one let alone own one, and I truly thank God each and every day that is my disposition, having grown up in a safe, stable, secure and sane environment called Australia. Because we truly are The Lucky Country.

PS Sorry if my anti-American rant upset some, but seeing someone, especially a gun apologist, misrepresent and lie about MY COUNTRY, and to support something so evil, really lit a fire under me. Its one thing to lie about someone else's country, but to do so for evil: to further violence and gun ownership? That added insult and really upset and angered me as an Australian. Not cool.

http://www.documentingreality.com/fo...hanghai-77602/

Bet she would like a gun, let's ask her....wait, no, guess we can't.


Australia is #1 in the world in crime victims, tied for 3rd in assaults, Nothing to brag about so you should consider arming yourself.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...-total-victims