[Faust]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Russia continues to turn Europe's largest nuclear power plant into a training ground for military exercises, ignoring any safety rules.

They have to train and prepare for any Ukrainian attack against the facility. Safety rules include safely defending against any enemy intruders, know where they can use which weapons as to not cause any damage to the facility

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

They have to train and prepare for any Ukrainian attack against the facility. Safety rules include safely defending against any enemy intruders, know where they can use which weapons as to not cause any damage to the facility

No they don't, stap talking poop again.
They owned that station since it was built and attacked it 0 times.

Ukraine won't attack that station because they have no need to. Well, paradoxically, if Russians keep deploying their soldiers in the nuclear power plant then yeah, it becomes a military target, and they artificially create a need to attack the station.

If Russians actually wanted to safeguard the station, then they would get the fuck away from that station and allow international observers into the station.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Did anybody notice that Ukraine STFU about supposed mined rooftops? This means that the US didn’t give approval for that scenario.

My sources are still talking about it. I just don't post it because it's basically the same thing they've been saying for months.

As for the approval bullshit, cite a source for this nonsense, other than a Russian source and one that actually states that the US and Ukraine have discussed this scenario and the US did not approve of "ukraine to use mines" on the rooftops or STFU.

This might be the one of the most asinine statements I've seen you make in here. The US would never approve of such a thing and it was never even a discussion among anyone other than you and the likes of you.

What it sounds like to me is that you and the others you're getting this conjecture from are preparing a narrative for if and when Russia does sabotage the ZNPP. The Russian government is completely behind the spreading of this narrative as well. I can see this from an ocean away and it's straight up misinformation. Just like the scenario they're reportedly preparing at one of their own NPPs.

I don't put anything past Russia. I'd like to say that Russia would never do something so horrible but they totally would.

Like the KHPP, Russia will be solely responsible if anything should take place at the ZNPP. Ukraine is not going to blow up their own NPP in their own country and anyone who thinks so is clinging to the Kremlin teet, for all the reasons I've previous explained more than once.

If you don't have direct proof of these conspiracies you're spewing, keep it to yourself. Or don't and keep spreading misinformation so KH can deal with you.

[Faust]

The only misinformation, is what they feed you.

Here are the facts:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ive-melitopol/

“ U.S. intelligence says Ukraine will fail to meet offensive’s key goal”

Even the US is saying the counteroffensive is failing, and will fail. So everything any of you guys believe and said and posted about the counteroffensive until this point in time is complete bullshit according to US intelligence, remember that.

What you guys forgot, is this:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/04/18/p...ant/index.html

“ American lawmakers: If Russia launches a nuclear strike on Ukraine, it will go to war with NATO.

U.S. Senators Lindsey Graham, Republican, and Richard Blumenthal, Democrat, registered a draft bipartisan resolution in the Senate declaring Russia's use of nuclear weapons in Ukraine or the bombing of the Zaporozhye nuclear power plant as an attack on NATO, requiring the application of Article 5 of the alliance.”

See the video.

Russia has no reason to attack the plant; even the US is saying the counteroffensive will fail.

However, should Russia, despite not needing to attack the plant at all due to the counteroffensive failing, still attack the plant, then supposedly NATO will come and help ukraine. (You will argue that nato promises mean nothing, and I would agree on that one but this is beside the point).

Ukraines only chance of ‘winning’ anything, is getting NATO involved. Ukraines only shot is attacking the plant and blaming it on Russia.

However if Ukraine significantly damages the plant causing nuclear disaster, then IMO Russia will be justified in using nuclear weapons to prevent further escalation

[WonderMomma]

So no credible sources of a discussion between Ukraine and the US disapproving of them using mines to blow up the NPP? That's what I thought.

I'm not interested in your assumptions, fortune telling, conspiracies, conjecture or your opinions.

Again:

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

What it sounds like to me is that you and the others you're getting this conjecture from are preparing a narrative for if and when Russia does sabotage the ZNPP. The Russian government is completely behind the spreading of this narrative as well. I can see this from an ocean away and it's straight up misinformation. Just like the scenario they're reportedly preparing at one of their own NPPs.

False flag is Russia's middle name.

The counteroffensive argument has also been made repeatedly and has nothing to do with the NPP discussion we're having in this nuclear themed thread but nice try.

As usual you're completely twisting the facts surrounding the video to fit your narratives and spread conspiracies. They specifically state "if Russia uses nukes or bombs the ZNPP" NATO would likely get involved. Like most of Russia’s false flag attempts, don’t you think the evidence will most definitely point to the actual culprits, if it happens? This is another reason why Ukraine won't attack their own NPP.

Essentially, all you do is misinform and you hypocritically condemn anyone reading CNN but turn around and use them when they barely support your fantasized arguments. What’s most comical and ironic… you use CNN as a source more than ANYONE ELSE HERE.

Laughable.

[Faust]

1) Ukraine will be saved if NATO gets involved.
2) US adopts a law saying Nato gets involved if Russia attacks the plant
3) the counteroffensive was (and is) failing miserably
4) A single Himars strike against the plant would thus potentially save Ukraine.
5) CNN were amplifying supposed Russian plans to attack the plant which they control, only Ukraine sources no satellite images supporting the claims
6) The US authorises all Himars strikes
7) the attack did not happen

Thus we can surmise the US didn’t allow it

The counteroffensive failed so hard that not even NATO fans would believe that Russia has any need to attack the plant.

Your whole narrative is falling apart basically. US intelligence shits all over your sources. Even CNN is shitting over your Ukrainian narrative and sources. Publishing that the majority of Americans don’t even support funding the war anymore.

Attacking the plant is becoming Ukraine, and your last hope

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Faust, I keep seeing you say that the west, or the US, has said that if Ukraine makes any significant gains in their counteroffensive that their support/money will stop. This sounds absolutely bass ackwards to me so I was wondering if you could provide a few sources on that information?

I'm legit asking. I haven't seen anything remotely related to that. Thank you.

If you hadn’t seen that coming then you are either blind or you deliberately weren’t looking


This is today:

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...icans-00111678

Asked afterward if he’d support more aid for Ukraine, he replied: “If there is humanitarian monies, nonmilitary monies, or military monies without an inspector general, I’m not supporting it.” The House Freedom Caucus member, who has defied his colleagues’ calls to stop backing Ukraine, now says the U.S. should push Ukrainian President VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY to sign a peace deal.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

1) Ukraine will be saved if NATO gets involved.
2) US adopts a law saying Nato gets involved if Russia attacks the plant
3) the counteroffensive was (and is) failing miserably
4) A single Himars strike against the plant would thus potentially save Ukraine.
5) CNN were amplifying supposed Russian plans to attack the plant which they control, only Ukraine sources no satellite images supporting the claims
6) The US authorises all Himars strikes
7) the attack did not happen

Thus we can surmise the US didn’t allow it

The counteroffensive failed so hard that not even NATO fans would believe that Russia has any need to attack the plant.

Your whole narrative is falling apart basically. US intelligence shits all over your sources. Even CNN is shitting over your Ukrainian narrative and sources. Publishing that the majority of Americans don’t even support funding the war anymore.

Attacking the plant is becoming Ukraine, and your last hope

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

If you hadn’t seen that coming then you are either blind or you deliberately weren’t looking


This is today:

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...icans-00111678

Quoting a far right rep with some very questionable history like his stupid opinion matters.

That's Rep Andy Harris U.S. an ardent supporter of President Trump and an anesthesiologist by trade, claimed that he may lose his medical license after pushing unproven COVID-19 treatments where 6 months before that he was in a promoting video asking people to take the vaccin.

Ivermectin is often used in developing countries to treat intestinal worms and other parasites, and before recently it was largely used in the United States to treat livestock.

It has taken on an almost mythical status in far-right circles, where its proponents refer to it as a cheap cure-all despite the fact that researchers have failed to prove its effectiveness in fighting the coronavirus.

Also he was one of 12 (All Rep.) that voted against a bill awarding Congressional Gold Medals to police officers who protected the U.S. Capitol during the deadly riots.

The bill decried the rioters as "a mob of insurrectionists" that "forced its way into the U.S. Capitol building and congressional office buildings and engaged in acts of vandalism, looting, and violently attacked Capitol Police officers."

In a statement, Harris called the bill a "publicity stunt" loaded with "partisan charged language":

"The men and women on the thin blue line, including the brave men and women of the United States Capitol Police, should never be used as props for politically charged publicity stunts like this bill.

Not too mention:
October 19, 2018.
The Maryland Democratic Party recently filed an ethics complaint against U.S. Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), accusing him of failing to report his new wife’s consulting income on his financial disclosure forms.

It seems that Rep. Harris may have forgotten to disclose other things also, among them important facts about his family history.

In 2012 while honoring Hungarian Holocaust hero Raoul Wallenberg who saved 100,000 Hungarian Jews the Congressman got emotional: “This is very emotional for me because my father is of Hungarian descent and he was an anti-communist who was sent to a Soviet Gulag for two years,” and he added “It is an honor to help recognize the memory of Raoul Wallenberg, one the greatest humanitarians of the 20th Century.

Even in tragic periods like the Holocaust, heroes like Raoul Wallenberg shine a light for future generations so they never forget.”

Rep. Harris often refers to his father as an anti-Communist fighter who was sent to the Gulag, yet he has never explained the reason why his father was sent there.

The Congressman’s father was born in 1911 as Zoltán Haris, in Miskolc, Hungary. (The family name later was changed to the more English sounding Harris with a double “r”.)

He went to Catholic schools and was trained as a dentist. Zoltán got married, his wife name was Erzsébet and they had a son, Gábor born in 1944. The circumstances are not clear but is seems his wife died soon after childbirth.

Family relatives recalled that Rep. Harris’s father served in the pro-Hitler Hungarian army and was probably captured by the Soviets and sent to a POW camp. The Hungarian army fought against the Allies, including the Americans. About 1,000 US airmen were killed in Hungary during WWII.

After returning from the Soviet Union Dr. Haris practiced medicine in Hungary. Around 1948 he left the country and lived in a DP (Displaced Persons) camp in Saltzburg, Austria. There he met Irene Koczerzuk, a Polish refugee from Ukraine. The couple later immigrated to the US and Rep. Harris was born in 1957.

Since Rep. Harris is a public figure representing many veterans, among them WWII veterans, it is important to clarify his family history. When and where did his father serve in the pro-fascist Hungarian army? And how did he end up in the Soviet Gulag?

The Congressman should also explain his unusually close relationship with Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, who is pro-Putin and who has praised pro-Hitler WWII Hungarian leader Miklós Horthy as a “great statesman.”

In April last year he twittered":

My parents fled the very same totalitarian regime in Eastern Europe that now is waging war on sovereign Ukraine. It is truly a badge of honor for me to be sanctioned by the Russian government.

but voted against reaffirming NATO support in April 2022.

Inan interview with him:

He gave hint of a smile as he recalled the mob banging on the chamber door, comparing “the thumping” to the enthusiasm witnessed when a president arrives for a State of the Union.

“Obviously, later we heard there was a gunshot, but other than that,” Harris said, “there was no indication that this was a truly violent protest, as violent as one as you would worry about.”

Also disconcerting: While Harris said he didn’t support rioters breaking windows or disobeying lawful police orders, he stressed that he understood their frustration.

He repeated Donald Trump’s debunked allegations that credible reports of election fraud had not been investigated and absolved the president of any role in fomenting the Capitol invasion.

Instead, Harris—one of the Republicans challenging that day’s generally pro forma affair—placed blame with the summer’s Black Lives Matter protestors, whom he claimed had normalized violent political protest.

After Congress reconvened, Harris got into a shouting match and near-tussle with a Democrat.

During a Fox Baltimore interview the next morning, he spread the uncorroborated charge that leftist provocateurs were behind the Capitol assault.

A week later, he skipped the House vote on impeachment altogether. A week after that, Capitol police stopped him after a handgun in his possession set off a magnetometer near the House chamber (a situation currently under investigation).

Not a good start to the sixth term of this GOP congressman who has said he will run next year? Not necessarily. Even with some Republican constituents joining Democratic officials in calling for his resignation, Andy Harris isn’t likely to pay a political price for his mounting controversies. The way his district is currently drawn, Harris’ stature in the eyes of his Trump-loving base might have only grown.
More: https://www.baltimoremagazine.com/se...-maryland-gop/

Only fools take people like this one serious.

[Faust]

Fair enough, I don’t know who is who in the US but you are saying this guy who is a bad man is the only one who’s perspective is:

“further money sent is not achieving anything, we need to stop funding the conflict”,

According to CNN pols, the majority of Americans don’t support sending more money either.

So this bad man is the only guy in the US government currently that aligns with the opinion of the majority of the US population?