[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by iARTEMx ↗

I think laser is still fantascientific by now.
But in near future it can be.
I would definitely bet on unmanned vehicles. Like robots and any kind of drones.

Its not sci-fi.
Laser AA systems have already been tested successfully years ago.



There are some that can shoot down artillery shells in mid-air.

[iARTEMx]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

Its not sci-fi.
Laser AA systems have already been tested successfully years ago.



There are some that can shoot down artillery shells in mid-air.

Yeah, I know, but is still sci-fi, since that is not so popular used, that's what I saying
If I not remember wrong, those lasers are from '80s or '90, so it is not so a fresh technology and still we are almost on the same beginning point. Same as space rockets fuels ant tech.
Anyway, in the near future there definitely will be some changes maybe also lasers become mass used. Who knows. We will ser

[Kenco]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

The Chinese ran simulations and it would take 24 cruise missiles to take out the entire US strike carrier groups or something. So nowadays only third world countries that have no cruise missiles can be intimidated by it.

These are the some of best western tanks ever produced btw, with some even supposedly being able to drive through mine fields;

"The Chinese ran simulations" hahaha. That's funny. You really are poorly informed regarding the capabilities of the US military. I get that it's embarrassing for Russians after the last year or so in Ukraine, but it would be foolish to ascribe the same idea of conflating military prowess to the US. We could win simultaneous wars with Russia and China is separate theaters... and still be the most powerful nation on Earth afterwards. Russia can't even beat the small amount of mostly outdated equipment the west has sent to Ukraine lol. We literally beat Russia's current military capabilities in Iraq 20 years ago... in under a week. And WE'VE progressed a long way since then. China's missile capabilities are certainly decent... at least prob more honest than certain other countries... but they still don't have a chance against US carrier groups. Yeah, a full on exchange would lead to some US casualties, some ships hit... but that's about it. China likely couldn't sink a single carrier without using a nuclear weapon. No country could. But... at least China's nukes prob work.

[Kenco]

Originally Posted by iARTEMx ↗

Yeah, I know, but is still sci-fi, since that is not so popular used, that's what I saying
If I not remember wrong, those lasers are from '80s or '90, so it is not so a fresh technology and still we are almost on the same beginning point. Same as space rockets fuels ant tech.
Anyway, in the near future there definitely will be some changes maybe also lasers become mass used. Who knows. We will ser

Sci-fi means fiction man. These are actively being used on US Navy warships as we speak. That's literally not sci-fi lol. They will continue to improve, but they are capable and effective now.

[Kenco]

Originally Posted by Marduk92EG ↗

What makes you think the US did not suffer similar casualties during the Iraq-US war in 1991?
Hint: A whole generation of Tanks, APCs, ships, helicopters aswell as planes got retired directly after the Iraq-US confrontation in 1991...

Regardless what the gov says, we intended to overthrow the Iraqi regime in 1991 and the "original plan" was that Saddam would surrender on an American aircraft carrier in the Gulf (similar to the jap surrender in wwII)


But things went catastrophically wrong and the Iraqi artillery was not only longer-range than ours, they were better-trained and despite all the nonsense you hear about "depleted uranium shells" iraqi tanks fired tungsten sabots which not only penetrated better than depleted uranium shells, the Iraqi guns fired bigger and more powerful 125 mm calibers compared to the IPM1 Abrams 105mm (IPM1 had to be withdrawn mid-way through the "ground offensive" and was later on retired due to the enormous losses that the Iraqis inflicted upon us)

Very few are aware of why the war stopped the way it did, to keep things short, - the Iraqis managed to ambush our guys using two elite armored divisions from the Tikriti special republican guard and these two armored divisions encircled Schwarzkopf's troops at the Safwan airfield and we pretty much lost the war and agreed to withdraw from Iraq.

Iraq's airforce was devastated though and the coalition lost in total around 300 planes before we managed to neutralize most of the Iraqi air defenses.
This is why we still were at war with them from 1991 till the Baghdad Thunder runs in 2003 and the collapse of the regime in around 2007 (pulling down a Saddam statue in downtown Baghdad means jack shit when there's like 50 000 of them in Iraq)


Also don't believe our "official" casualty numbers, we lost a lot of guys in Desert Sabre but Bush banned reporting on casualties and the standard procedure was to cremate the fallen american heroes aswell as other coalition servicesmen in the hospital ships in order to hide the casualties.
This did not extend to the saudis and egyptians though since Muslims are forbidden to take part in the act of cremation

Wow... you are horribly misinformed man. By all means, cite any of this information. Maybe you're from one of those nations which augments it's information to their populace, but our losses were openly reported and supported by all coalition nations. And... some of us have first hand insight. Tanks alone, Iraqis lost 100 to 1 compared to the coalition tanks. (About 3000 to about 30). This isn't Russia where we try and say we haven't lost barely any soldiers, and his have over 100k people not contacting their families anymore, nor is it China where they claim to never have any testing errors when developing next generation weapon systems. Other than top secret and black budget programs, things are relatively transparent here. We know this because we do report our errors, crashes, failures etc. And... that's also why we have a military than can IN REALITY, easily defeat any others on Earth... even in multiple theaters simultaneously while far from our own shores. I don't think it's smart to compare us to the joke that has been Russia in Ukraine. Lol.

[iARTEMx]

Originally Posted by Kenco ↗

Sci-fi means fiction man. These are actively being used on US Navy warships as we speak. That's literally not sci-fi lol. They will continue to improve, but they are capable and effective now.

Do you can send me some link so I can inform myself?
Thank you

[iARTEMx]

Originally Posted by Kenco ↗

Wow... you are horribly misinformed man. By all means, cite any of this information. Maybe you're from one of those nations which augments it's information to their populace, but our losses were openly reported and supported by all coalition nations. And... some of us have first hand insight. Tanks alone, Iraqis lost 100 to 1 compared to the coalition tanks. (About 3000 to about 30). This isn't Russia where we try and say we haven't lost barely any soldiers, and his have over 100k people not contacting their families anymore, nor is it China where they claim to never have any testing errors when developing next generation weapon systems. Other than top secret and black budget programs, things are relatively transparent here. We know this because we do report our errors, crashes, failures etc. And... that's also why we have a military than can IN REALITY, easily defeat any others on Earth... even in multiple theaters simultaneously while far from our own shores. I don't think it's smart to compare us to the joke that has been Russia in Ukraine. Lol.

Btw, russia have a lot of nukes, but seeing how they are going in Ukraine, I can confirm that those nukes will explode over them once launched

[Kenco]

Originally Posted by iARTEMx ↗

Do you can send me some link so I can inform myself?
Thank you

Sure brother. Here's two. One from 2020 and one from 2022, both discussing the installation and successful testing of these devices in Portland class US Navy ships.

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine....st%20in%202020.

https://www.pacom.mil/Media/News/New...Dstate%20laser.

[iARTEMx]

Originally Posted by Kenco ↗

Sure brother. Here's two. One from 2020 and one from 2022, both discussing the installation and successful testing of these devices in Portland class US Navy ships.

https://www.nationaldefensemagazine....st%20in%202020.

https://www.pacom.mil/Media/News/New...Dstate%20laser.

Thank you

[DrKGSmiff]

Originally Posted by Marduk92EG ↗

…Very few are aware of why the war stopped the way it did, to keep things short, - the Iraqis managed to ambush our guys using two elite armored divisions from the Tikriti special republican guard and these two armored divisions encircled Schwarzkopf's troops at the Safwan airfield and we pretty much lost the war and agreed to withdraw from Iraq…

Well, you are correct that very few are “aware” of that version of history. I would LOVE for you to share links of where you got that insane take.

Are you “aware” that the Iraqi army signed a public capitulation document there at Safwan? Have you seen the photographs of US armored vehicles escorting the Iraqi signatories onto the airfield, from miles away, that day?

Because, if you were, you’d realize how ridiculous your theory was, given that US vehicles had to escort the Iraqi contingent onto an airfield on which they were “surrounded” by “elite Iraqi units”.

Seriously, please do post up whatever site you got that garbage from. I’m dying to read it. I have exactly zero doubt that any website claiming that the US lost the Gulf War to the Iraqis is also going to be loaded with viruses, but my anti-virus is up to date, and I’m willing to take the risk for the sure entertainment value of that read.