[duntez]

Originally Posted by RedactedKaos ↗

Of course it's not all just about Ukraine's freedom.. Its about the rest of Europes well being and the fact that the democracy is crying out for help.. One we have been friendly and has wanted in since 1990...

Got off track.. They are asking are they not? And who is russia helping? New York or Texas and are those 2 states their own entities in this Hypothetical or 1 is part of the United States lol.. Wanna answer but confused

Well TX actually could have its independence if I’m not mistaken. One of the rules to join US was the ability to split and obtain their independence again right ? So Washington would say NO, so Russia comes and help Latino brothers in Huston

Because by doing good ( if asked to help) you weakening your so called enemy

[RedactedKaos]

Originally Posted by RaNer ↗

That already happened and WW3 almost broke out.

If Yugoslavs did that to you they would never go back. Way more stubborn then Russians. Russians are level headed and forgiving people.

If Serb or Croat was in Putin's place he would already nuke Ukraine.

Generally speaking south Slavs are more savage then Eastern ones. But Eastern ones are hard as steel.

Sorry kind of off topic but you seem to know that area and it's history.. Do Bosniaks still exist today? Or is that slang.. I had a gamehacking friend in the early 2000s who used that term.. He was Bosnian and for whatever reason it stuck in my head

[RaNer]

Originally Posted by RedactedKaos ↗

Of course it's not all just about Ukraine's freedom.. Its about the rest of Europes well being and the fact that the democracy is crying out for help.. One we have been friendly and has wanted in since 1990...

Got off track.. They are asking are they not? And who is russia helping? New York or Texas and are those 2 states their own entities in this Hypothetical or 1 is part of the United States lol.. Wanna answer but confused

Russia invading Europe? I'm EU citizen we are all suffering because of this proxy war. Russia did nothing to us. In fact we made fool of them breaking Minsk agreements, Merkel said it herself. We been feeding Ukraine with weapons for years before war started.

Goal of this war is to make Europe and Russia weaker.

Oh give me a break about Democracy, it's all a big hoax. We are lead by few powerful people and whoever you choose it's same shit. Which democracy? Russia and Ukraine are democratic states for 30 years.

I'm not sure about what you are confused? Ukraine and Russians are more similar then Texans and NY. But if they somehow got into war you wouldn't see Russians coming and interfering like USA does in Ukraine - Russian war.

Croatia and Serbia were also two entities in one body (Yugoslavia) and you couldn't keep your noses from here as well.

[RedactedKaos]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Well TX actually could have its independence if I’m not mistaken. One of the rules to join US was the ability to split and obtain their independence again right ? So Washington would say NO, so Russia comes and help Latino brothers in Huston

Because by doing good ( if asked to help) you weakening your so called enemy

Hahaha that last part had me rolling.. To true

Originally Posted by RaNer ↗

Russia invading Europe? I'm EU citizen we are all suffering because of this proxy war. Russia did nothing to us. In fact we made fool of them breaking Minsk agreements, Merkel said it herself.

Goal of this war is to make Europe and Russia weaker.

Oh give me a break about Democracy, it's all a big hoax. We are lead by few powerful people and whoever you choose it's same shit. Which democracy? Russia and Ukraine are democratic states for 30 years.

I'm not sure about what you are confused? Ukraine and Russians are more similar then Texans and NY. But if they somehow got into war you wouldn't see Russians coming and interfering like USA does in Ukraine - Russian war.

Say that's true.. the voice of the people is still heard you know what I mean and I mean heard by everyone else that's a citizen so you have kind of a general idea at least only if you're just straight being told fuck you or not

What gives russia the right to dictate what alliances another country wants to join? I mean look at Russia's whatever block I forgot what the name of of it is but it pretty much consists of all the shit holes of the world (not ragging on those countries but just sayin).. Who would you want to be with and no I'm not saying NATO is the exact same as the russian bloc or whatever.

But I'm to stupid to properly debate you.. Regardless it's fun to have dialog, I'm all good with being schooled.. Unless the teacher is wrong.. Pokin fun

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by RaNer ↗

But look, in the end - USA won't be somewhere where they don't have an interest so it's pointless to even discuss like this is all some good will help to Ukraine. Most people in USA didn't even know that country exists.

I mean it's funny to think that way almost childish yeah right you care so much about these little states ... you care about your interest and that's fine but let's not pretend.

Why not for once stay at home and let slavs resolve their shit? Would you like Russia to come to USA if Texas went to war vs state of NY? Does that make any sense?

Yeah just total apathy towards a place, just let this one country steamroll the other who didn't deserve to get invaded. You are such a slav. Sad perspective.

Poor analogy, also.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by RaNer ↗

Your "friendship" comes with a price. That's not a friendship that's a business deal. Every where you came it's ruins. Just look at middle east in 70/80's and then came the "Democracy". You really want me to believe USA is waging wars because USA believes in some altruism? Your country is definition of greed man. It's oil you are after.

I don't need to deal with it. And frankly if it's such a rush to help your friends why not send troops to fight Russians? It's easy to fight these sand people who had almost nothing. Or Vietcong. OK they gave you a beating you will never forget.

I always thought, and from what I see, a lot of Ukrainians asking the same question - why UA get so little help and why they have to beg on their knees every time. Maybe because for west absolute victory over Russia is no good, it a nuclear power state and you don’t want this power ended up in a wrong hands. So they help, but just enough to drain Russia economically and military wise. But if this is true, then Ukrainians are getting screwed imo too. Because instead of full military help, they get fractions. 33 tanks….why not 3000… 115 m113s….why not 2000 … etc

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by RaNer ↗

Problem is killing of Russians in Eastern Ukraine. Systematical for 10 years. Not only killing but torturing and all by hands of neo-nazi groups like Azov.

And then Putin said that it's enough.

Putin couldn't care less about human lives (russians or not) or else he wouldn't have waited for 10 years. He just saw his imperial nostalgia just further slip away plus that part of Ukraine is important when it comes to the black sea, grain, mining etc., that's why so many oligarchs were present there.
The real reason imo : https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-in...ne-why-why-now

Talking about history and their fail to invade other countries. Also just ask anyone from the Baltic states about how much fun it was between 1940 and 1991 as the russians didn't care shit about the people other then the baltic area being their main sea economic supply route.

Not too mention Chechnya and Afghanistan:

Russian authorities are struggling to take care of at least 750,000 veterans who have served in Ukraine, according to a leaked document from a charity led by a relative of Putin. This number, too, tops the total for Moscow’s most catastrophic and humiliating military defeats of the past 40 years: the Afghan campaign and the First Chechen War. In both, Soviet and then Russian armies were met with fierce resistance from locals who did not want to be conquered, and civilians bore the brunt of brutal retributions. Before the atrocities perpetrated by Russian soldiers in Bucha, Ukraine, there was the mass murder of civilians in Samashki, Chechnya, in 1995. Before that, there were many massacres committed by Soviet troops in Afghanistan. The Kremlin deployed around 600,000 soldiers to the two wars, and many of those who returned were physically and spiritually broken, conditioned to extreme violence, and prone to bouts of depression and suicide. Some found no place for themselves in civilian society and joined one of the many numerous organized crime groups of the early 1990s.

A similar wave is already bubbling up in Russia today. Every day, there are reports about Ukraine veterans engaged in violence—randomly attacking passersby, stabbing their wife to death in a drunken frenzy in front of their children, or other crimes. Others didn’t need a war to be introduced to wanton criminality: Some of Wagner’s most notorious outlaws, convicted for murders and mutilations of incomprehensible cruelty, have been released back into society as the promised reward for shooting Ukrainians, and a few have almost immediately gone on new killing rampages. Just like in the 1990s, there seems to be no plan for any psychological support for soldiers returning from an active war zone. Just like back then, they are mostly left to their own devices. A flood of firearms allegedly being smuggled from Ukraine back to Russia by returning troops isn’t helping to curb outbursts of spontaneous violence.

Many of the contract soldiers and the recently mobilized who perished in Ukraine were fathers and their family’s sole breadwinners, whose sudden, tragic disappearance leaves a gaping hole in the fabric of society.

So when other countries helping countries like Ukraine it's suddenly called a proxy war.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by ride ↗

Dude. You've been doing so well, attitude-wise. Why the sudden bout of bitchiness?

Reminded me of this when things don't go like they hoped they would.

[RedactedKaos]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Damn to fuckin funny had to save that one

[scorpion9]

Some of people I know went there to "Defend the west" got back in body bags.

Of course. It's war. It's not some kind of "SMO" like the führer keeps telling you.

So sad, people aged 25-35, young people, should have stayed home and chill.

Yeah, i'd say that to the hundreds of thousands of ruzzian nazis who could have stayed in their own country and just chilled.
The power to end the war was in their hands. If they had refused the führer's orders to invade, it would have all been over.

Whoever thought Russia wants to "conquer the world" was a nutjob then and is now.

Not the world. They are no longer capable of that. They just want to re-occupy their previously conquered territories and perhaps some more later on. It's stupid to pretend that russia isn't an empire looking for conquest. Its very existence is founded on conquest.

Man, Ukraine does not exist anymore, Ukrainians en masse come to Croatia for work and to somehow get citizenship.

And?
Thats what people do in free countries. Thats what people do in my country, in my neighboring countries, in most of latin america etc. Wherever there is a wealthy country next to you, people will want to go and work there. This is a good thing because people bring that money into their country and it will raise the living standards over the years. When Estonia became independent from ruzzian occupation, our salaries were around 200 eur a month( if you worked hard ). As soon as the borders opened up, people went to work in Finland en-mass. They took their earnings, saved up for a few months and came back and opened businesses here. They build summer homes here. They helped their families out of poverty and so on. My brother still works in Finland and has a family here in Estonia. Ukraine wants to do the same. They will work in wealthier countries, bringing money into their own economy in the process.

They are in debt for next 200 years, they are not in control of their country anymore it's basically sold out to countries that sponsor them (EU/USA).

Hmm, they have their own president, their own government and people who can vote freely to change that government. I'd say they are in far more control over their government than Ruzzians, Serbs or Belarussians. And the debt...if you are referring to the aid Ukraine has received then a lot of it(maybe even most of it) is just aid. It's not meant to be paid back. Lend lease works in a similar way. Is Russia still in debt to the West because the west gave Russians unprecedented amounts of lend-lease aid during the second world war?

they thought they will rip Russians, take territory, be rich, be in EU, NATO

Nope, they didn't want to "rip russians".
Nope, they didn't want to take territory. They just want to keep their country...like people from every other country. Russians are the ones trying to take territory and "rip ukrainians".
Yes, they want to be rich...who doesn't. Do you want to be poor?
Yes, they want to be in EU...why shouldn't they? In terms of its success, EU is the best organization created by humans so far. People who argue otherwise are just stupid and know nothing about it.
Yes, they want to join NATO - for obvious reasons, and again...NATO is the strongest military alliance ever created. So what.

Your post screams of russian propaganda. The most telling sign is the keyword "anglosaxons". Thats a russian propaganda term that isnt used anywhere else. Same goes for the claim that "ukraine wont exist as a nation". Thats entirely russian propaganda piece as well.