[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Ukrainian has a "civil" conversation with an old brainwashed Russian

I'm not happy that this war is a reality, but there is a silver lining. These morons are in full focus. A few of these somehow exist here on DR.

Funny thing is...whenever i have blamed Russia for the shit the soviet "union" did...Russians rush to point out that the soviet "union" wasnt Russia and Russia isnt to blame for anything the USSR did. Glad to see some Russians at least admit that the USSR was just Russian occupation in disguise of a union.

[ride]

Did anyone here happen upon the classified documents that were leaked on Telegram? Additionally, which entity did the classification? UKR, US, or NATO? No, I don't care to see them, I'm just curious as to how widespread the leak may be. When the responsible party is found, they should be parachute-dropped to a cartel compound with "NARCO" tattooed on his/her/their forehead.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by ride ↗

Did anyone here happen upon the classified documents that were leaked on Telegram? Additionally, which entity did the classification? UKR, US, or NATO? No, I don't care to see them, I'm just curious as to how widespread the leak may be. When the responsible party is found, they should be parachute-dropped to a cartel compound with "NARCO" tattooed on his/her/their forehead.

Yes they are all over the place, however there are different versions. One is normal and one is altered. That is why I haven't posted anything about them yet. Waiting for more information to come out. There's nothing really hugely revealing on them but the fact they're altered gave me pause.

There are also claims that the leak is a Russian operation, if you will, and there are claims the leak originates with the US.

Just too much unconfirmed info for me to feel comfy posting them. I am definitely keeping an eye on it!

EDIT: The NY Times ran the story so you can see it there. I think there are paywalls on the NYT though. If you're looking on a chrome browser I can explain how to bypass the paywall, just let me know.

[ride]

Thanks, but I use Safari. Please don't judge. I am not much of a "computer guy". I stick with what works for me.

[WonderMomma]

LOL no judgments from me. I used Safari once upon a time. Might use it again at some point in the future.

I've pasted the article here for you but not including any of the documents. The Times article didn't show the documents, they and the altered versions came out on Telegram after this article.

Link: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/06/u...an-russia.html

Ukraine War Plans Leak Prompts Pentagon Investigation
Classified documents detailing secret American and NATO plans have appeared on Twitter and Telegram.

The leaked documents do not provide specific battle plans but they offer a snapshot of time — the American and Ukrainian view, as of March 1, of what Ukrainian troops might need for the campaign.

April 6, 2023

WASHINGTON — Classified war documents detailing secret American and NATO plans for building up the Ukrainian military ahead of a planned offensive against Russian troops were posted this week on social media channels, senior Biden administration officials said.

The Pentagon is investigating who may have been behind the leak of the documents, which appeared on Twitter and on Telegram, a platform with more than half a billion users that is widely available in Russia.

Military analysts said the documents appear to have been modified in certain parts from their original format, overstating American estimates of Ukrainian war dead and understating estimates of Russian troops killed.

The modifications could point to an effort of disinformation by Moscow, the analysts said. But the disclosures in the original documents, which appear as photographs of charts of anticipated weapons deliveries, troop and battalion strengths, and other plans, represent a significant breach of American intelligence in the effort to aid Ukraine.

Biden officials were working to get them deleted but had not, as of Thursday evening, succeeded.

“We are aware of the reports of social media posts and the department is reviewing the matter,” said Sabrina Singh, the deputy press secretary at the Pentagon.

The documents do not provide specific battle plans, like how, when, and where Ukraine intends to launch its offensive, which American officials say is likely coming in the next month or so. And because the documents are five weeks old, they offer a snapshot of time — the American and Ukrainian view, as of March 1, of what Ukrainian troops might need for the campaign.

To the trained eye of a Russian war planner, field general or intelligence analyst, however, the documents no doubt offer many tantalizing clues and insights. The documents mention, for instance, the expenditure rate of HIMARS — American-supplied high mobility artillery rocket systems, which can launch attacks against targets like ammunition dumps, infrastructure and concentrations of troops, from a distance. The Pentagon has not said publicly how fast Ukrainian troops are using the HIMARS munitions; the documents do.

Analysts said on Friday it could be difficult to assess the impact of the documents’ disclosure on the frontline fighting now and in the coming months. Russia’s own recent offensive has struggled to make gains in eastern Ukraine, and Western analysts debate whether the Russian military, after suffering staggering casualties, is capable of mounting another or resisting a Ukrainian attack.

It was unclear how the documents ended up on social media. But pro-Russian government channels have been sharing and circulating the briefing slides, military analysts said.

The analysts warned that documents released by Russian sources could be selectively altered to present the Kremlin’s disinformation.

“Whether these documents are authentic or not, people should take care with anything released by Russian sources,” said Michael Kofman, the director of Russian studies at CNA, a research institute in Arlington, Va.

For example, one of the slides said 16,000 to 17,500 Russian soldiers had been killed while Ukraine had suffered as many as 71,500 troop deaths. The Pentagon and other analysts have estimated that Russia has suffered far more casualties, with closer to 200,000 killed and injured, while Ukraine has had more than 100,000 killed and injured.

Nonetheless, analysts said parts of the documents appeared authentic and would provide Russia with valuable information such as the timetables for the delivery of weapons and troops, Ukrainian troop buildup numbers and other military details.

A document labeled “top secret” offers the “Status of the Conflict as of 1 Mar.” On that day, Ukrainian officials were at an American base in Wiesbaden, Germany, for war game sessions, and a day later, Gen. Mark A. Milley, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Gen. Christopher Cavoli, the supreme allied commander for Europe, visited the sessions.

Another document includes columns that list Ukrainian troop units, equipment and training, with schedules for January through April. The document contains a summary of 12 combat brigades that are being assembled, with nine of them apparently being trained and supplied by the United States and other NATO allies. Of those nine brigades, the documents said that six would be ready by March 31 and the rest by April 30. A Ukrainian brigade has about 4,000 to 5,000 soldiers, analysts said.

The document said that equipment delivery times would impact training and readiness in order to meet the timeline. Total equipment needed for nine brigades, the document said, was more than 250 tanks and more than 350 mechanized vehicles.

That the documents could be posted on a widely dispersed social media channel, and presumably get into the hands of Russian officials, is a big coup for Moscow at a time when Russia had appeared to be trailing the United States in intelligence gathering in Ukraine.

The leak is the first Russian intelligence breakthrough that has been made public since the war began. Throughout the war, the United States has provided Ukraine with information on command posts, ammunition depots and other key nodes in the Russian military lines. Such real-time intelligence has allowed the Ukrainians to target Russian forces, kill senior generals and force ammunition supplies to be moved farther from the Russian front lines, though U.S. officials say Ukraine has played the decisive role in planning and execution of those strikes.

But early on during the war, Ukrainian officials were hesitant about sharing their battle plans with the United States, for fear of leaks, American and European officials said. As recently as last summer, American intelligence officials said they often had a better understanding of Russia’s military plans than of Ukraine’s.

Concerned that sharing their operation plans could also highlight weaknesses and discourage continued American support, the Ukrainians were closely guarding them even as American intelligence was gathering precise details on what the Kremlin was ordering and Russian commanders were planning.

The intelligence sharing between Ukraine and the United States loosened up considerably last fall, and the two countries have been working closely on options for a Ukrainian offensive.

But an intelligence leak of this sort, posted on social media and available around the world, is bound to harm intelligence sharing between Ukraine and the United States.

[Guns N' Coffee]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

If you're looking on a chrome browser I can explain how to bypass the paywall, just let me know.

Just block them cookies

[WonderMomma]

lol well I just hit F12 and disable javascript in the dev console and refresh. I like mah cookies.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

I looked at the documents. The vast majority of the information in those photos could be taken from open sources and the Russians likely already have it. The general location of units and their overall composition is already known.

And unless I missed something. There don't appear to be counteroffensive "plans". It did give some local weather stuff which would assist when to launch a possible counteroffensive.

Also much of the training timelines for Ukrainian troops training in western countries is already known. This isn't some jackpot goldmine of information that would change everything for Russia, but at the same time how this came to be on the internet is of great concern.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

lol well I just hit F12 and disable javascript in the dev console and refresh. I like mah cookies.

Or...press F9 in chrome/edge based browsers.
it enters read mode which removes all adds and allows you to see all content.

[ride]

Thank you, WM! Much appreciated.