[houseoftechno]

[RedactedKaos]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Screenshot time.

Here is Faust's goofy claim from last year, pictured below. Which is laughably incorrect even adjusting for the size difference of the US and Ukraine.

I did the math. Russia controlled around 18% of Ukrainian territory in October last year, which equates to 108,648 square km, including Crimea and occupied Donbas.

It seems Faust forgot Alaska existed () but even if you forget about that, 18% of the Continental US is 1,450,400 square km. Which is only enough square km to cover California, Texas and a chunk of Montana...

Alaska is roughly 1,723,000 sq km. If we counted Alaska, Russia controls less than than that... So Russia doesn't control "the equivalent of the 10 biggest US states", it controls less than the biggest US state.

Owned

... the rebuttal please

[WonderMomma]

Can we please cut name calling and fuck yous? I'm talking to everyone. It's a form of trolling and is not permitted outside the water cooler. This isn't high school and that shit will never solve anything.

For those who are or ever will be accused of being someone else... that shit happens all the time on this forum, so it comes with the site, unfortunately. If you don't believe me, go participate in the water cooler regularly for a few days. Better yet, create a "hello, i'm new" thread in there and see what you get. (I don't advise that at all)

And with Faust just fucking up as he did making it obvious that he's evading his thread bans, regardless of how he's doing it... suspicions mount. But it's not all that uncommon for formerly banned members to return on different accounts nor for existing members to have dummy accounts. It's against the rules in any case and we have to leave it up to Chris and the moderators (red names) to take care of those things. There is a lot going on behind the scenes that we aren't aware of either (not even me) so keep that in mind.

For the record... I don't think Redacted is anyone else. But even if he were, it doesn't matter. The mods are good at figuring this stuff out and I have no doubt that anyone having dup accounts will eventually be found out. Being new and diving head first into a group that's been here for so long is also a part of why this happens. There's nothing wrong with it but those who do should just be warned that sometimes it's seen as something it's not, but it's happened many times on this site.

Healthy debate and exchange is expected but when it comes to getting personal insults, name calling, and accusations of whatever... it's time to go outside and touch some grass.

I'm talking to everyone... including myself. I do more back and forth with Faust than I ever plan to and I need to reel it in a little myself. I have to catch myself sometimes.

I'm here to document the war. As much of it as I can. Between the regular contributors here, on ALL SIDES, I think we have great representation of much of what's going on in the war that the rest of the world isn't told or doesn't pay attention to. Many of us are getting our information from individual sources that are in country, on the ground and on the front lines. But it's absolutely vital to represent both sides as much as possible.

No one should hold what is posted against anyone who posts it. Period. Express your likes and dislikes in the thanks/dislike buttons as they are intended. The site is called Documenting Reality and that is exactly the purpose of contributing anything at all. This section is a little different than all the other sections. It's evolved quite a bit in the last 18 months, that's for sure. It's become a great source of information about the war and it would be great to keep it mostly free of ALL of our personal opinions. If we must express our opinions this is the only thread to do that in.

I am not a moderator. I pay $10 a month for my green name and I have extra privileges in here mostly to organize and keep the threads neat and orderly. I've have always had a particular intrigue on human behavior during wartime and have a touch of organizational OCD... so I'm applying those traits here.

I'm working on the directory, supplemental info posts and the hashtag system as well as posting content. So in that regard, I have been given permission to remove reposts, delete, move, merge posts and threads to keep organized. I do not make disciplinary decisions such as bans or infractions but I will inform KH of stuff that might apply.

But no, I don't have any disciplinary authority and everything I say should be taken as a suggestion when it comes to the guidelines and rules of the site. I just give a fuck about these handful of threads, probably too much.

Now let's all pass the internet bong/blunt/beer/whiskey/whatever you prefer around and sing Kumbayah and move on.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by RedactedKaos ↗

Owned

... the rebuttal please

There will be no rebuttal. At least not in this thread. Faust is banned.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

C'mon you guys let's relax plz..

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Can we please cut name calling and fuck yous?
Now let's all pass the internet bong/blunt/beer/whiskey/whatever you prefer around and sing Kumbayah and move on.

Waste of typing all those words by people that can't behave themselves in a forum thread and get deleted in 12 seconds so leave all the personal shit in pm's or block the other user as next time thread bannings will follow.

[richy_dong]

I still see no challenger 2 tanks. What are they saving them for?

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by richy_dong ↗

I still see no challenger 2 tanks. What are they saving them for?

The British Ministry of Defense has just released a video about the training of Ukrainian soldiers in the Challenger 2 Tank.

The FV4034 Challenger 2 is a British third-generation main battle tank currently in service with the armies of the United Kingdom, Oman and Ukraine.

The tank was designed by BAE Systems Land & Armaments as a private venture in 1986 and was an extensive redesign of the Challenger 1 tank.

The British Ministry of Defense commissioned the first prototype in December 1988. Despite external similarities to the Challenger 1, design and technological developments mean that only around 3% of the components are interchangeable with the previous vehicle.

This tank has a weight of 62.5 tons and is 8.3 meters long and 4.2 meters wide. It is operated by a commander, a gunner, a loader and a pilot.

As primary armament, the Challenger 2 has a 120mm “Charm” cannon and as secondary armaments a 7.62mm Belgian L-94A1 machine gun and a 12.7mm Browning M2.

Ukrainians often call the Challenger 2 the English carriage with automatic transmission

Challenger 2 tanks are already in service with the Airborne Assault Troops of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.


Heavy tanks and i have to see how this all works out in muddy terrain/fall.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by richy_dong ↗

I still see no challenger 2 tanks. What are they saving them for?

Only a few months ago the UK promised to supply 14 Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine, a move which helped persuade other western nations to
supply their own tanks to aid the fight against the Russian invasion. Challenger tanks have been in Ukraine for some months now.

Since then the floodgates have creaked open, albeit sometimes slowly, and parts of the UkrAF have been re-equipped with NATO armoured fighting vehicles, most notably German-built Leopard 2 tanks, donated by various European countries, and American Bradley infantry fighting vehicles.

The equipment from the west has been sufficient to equip up to 15 Ukrainian brigades, each of perhaps 3,000 personnel or more and about 250 vehicles of all types. These brigades are considered to represent the Ukrainian operational reserve, ready to exploit any breakthrough of the Russian defence lines if and when it happens.

Ukrainian soldiers have also been taught how to operate their new equipment and trained in the western way of war, in combined all-arms operations where the various arms and services combine to best effect.

We now know that some of these brigades have been committed to battle, if only by the photographic evidence of Leopard 2s and Bradleys
languishing burnt and forlorn in Russian minefields.

A significant number of these abandoned vehicles, however, can and have been rescued and
repaired.

What we are yet to see, though, at least from open sources, is any evidence of the Challenger 2's in action. They may well have been, of course, and have managed to survive unscathed so far, but I doubt it.

They are just as vulnerable to the mines and UAVs which seem to have taken out some of the Leopard 2's.

We have seen other British-supplied vehicles in action, notably the Alvis Stormer tracked vehicle which carries the UK High Velocity Missile
(HVM) which has proven potent against Russian helicopters. And in a more sombre note there are photographs circulating showing British Mastiff armoured troop carriers destroyed on the battlefield.

But no sign of the Challenger 2s yet. The BBC’s defence correspondent, Jonathan Beale, who is in Ukraine, Tweeted recently that he had asked two Ukrainian generals in charge of operations where the tanks were and was told they didn’t have them. They must be somewhere else, uncommitted so far.

I don’t think we should read too much into this, though, for there could be many reasons why they haven’t seen battle yet. They could, for example,
be allocated to a formation that hasn’t been committed, or perhaps their different logistic and training requirements may have slowed down their
deployment.

In fact some people do know. Since beginning this article I have been informed from two sources that the British tanks are training with a UkrAF airborne formation. This unit is also equipped with the US Stryker and German Marder infantry fighting vehicles (IFVs). None of these have been seen in battle yet as far as I am aware.

Who knows?

[kellyhound]

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Meanwhile, Russia's Security Council Deputy Chairman Dmitry Medvedev, known for spreading xenophobic remarks, said on Aug. 6 that Kyiv "must beg Moscow for mercy."

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