[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Roosta ↗

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Originally Posted by Massacreman View Post
Serious question to those here with some preamble:

I've seen a couple of these elsewhere where the soldier is hit, but not necessarily lethally, by a dropped munitions from a drone and leave their weapon behind or straight up just throw their hands up in a surrender pose.

Under those circumstances, should they still be considered a valid target as an injured party for more munitions drops?
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I guess this question doesn't have one clear answer. The problem with soldiers "surrendering" when they see a drone is that they cant actually surrender. There is no method for the drone to "capture" them. A soldier that throws away their weapon and starts to run from the drone, probably did so just to lighten up his load, so he could run faster. As for injuries, these drone-dropped bomblets cause such a random variety of injuries that you never know if you have taken out the enemy soldier or not. A decent flak vest keeps your organs safe, so most of the injuries are to the legs. Such injuries are likely to be minor and would allow the soldier to join the battle again in near future.

In the end, I guess every drone operator will assess the situation by their own standards. More interesting question would be "what would you do if you were the drone operator?"
You just dropped a bomblet on an enemy, that was preparing to attack and murder you. You see that he fell to the ground. Is he just taking cover? Do you give him a chance to attack and kill you tomorrow...or do you make sure that he is out of the picture for good? Perhaps, he is seriously injured...but he is also the guy who bombed your city and maybe killed your friends. Do you seek vengeance?

[Rikbikboo]

Russian reservists are likely using "shovels" for "hand-to-hand" combat in Ukraine due to a shortage of ammunition, the UK's Ministry of Defence says.

This is the headline tonight. I mean seriously. It’s got to be storytelling. I find it very hard to believe they are not even issued a knife.

A side arm possibly not. But honestly. Hand to hand combat with a shovel. I’m sure they say this to make the general public think that Russia isn’t a threat because by the looks of things they can’t even arm their personnel.

I
Call bullshit

Iv yet to see a video here showing russkies with shovels.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

I guess this question doesn't have one clear answer. The problem with soldiers "surrendering" when they see a drone is that they cant actually surrender. There is no method for the drone to "capture" them. A soldier that throws away their weapon and starts to run from the drone, probably did so just to lighten up his load, so he could run faster. As for injuries, these drone-dropped bomblets cause such a random variety of injuries that you never know if you have taken out the enemy soldier or not. A decent flak vest keeps your organs safe, so most of the injuries are to the legs. Such injuries are likely to be minor and would allow the soldier to join the battle again in near future.

In the end, I guess every drone operator will assess the situation by their own standards. More interesting question would be "what would you do if you were the drone operator?"
You just dropped a bomblet on an enemy, that was preparing to attack and murder you. You see that he fell to the ground. Is he just taking cover? Do you give him a chance to attack and kill you tomorrow...or do you make sure that he is out of the picture for good? Perhaps, he is seriously injured...but he is also the guy who bombed your city and maybe killed your friends. Do you seek vengeance?

There have been a few recent examples of soldiers successfully surrendering to a drone that I can recall for anyone who is interested.

https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7723274
https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7730648
https://www.documentingreality.com/f...9/#post7738994
https://www.documentingreality.com/f...ml#post7752713
https://www.documentingreality.com/f...3/#post7770989

[jkesil]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

I guess this question doesn't have one clear answer. The problem with soldiers "surrendering" when they see a drone is that they cant actually surrender. There is no method for the drone to "capture" them. A soldier that throws away their weapon and starts to run from the drone, probably did so just to lighten up his load, so he could run faster. As for injuries, these drone-dropped bomblets cause such a random variety of injuries that you never know if you have taken out the enemy soldier or not. A decent flak vest keeps your organs safe, so most of the injuries are to the legs. Such injuries are likely to be minor and would allow the soldier to join the battle again in near future.

In the end, I guess every drone operator will assess the situation by their own standards. More interesting question would be "what would you do if you were the drone operator?"
You just dropped a bomblet on an enemy, that was preparing to attack and murder you. You see that he fell to the ground. Is he just taking cover? Do you give him a chance to attack and kill you tomorrow...or do you make sure that he is out of the picture for good? Perhaps, he is seriously injured...but he is also the guy who bombed your city and maybe killed your friends. Do you seek vengeance?

Drones are effective when dropped close to the face of a russkie. They are efficient when breaking or simply tearing off a hand or a foot of a russkie. They are effective if the shrapnel shutters the upper leg artery that would cause a critical bleeding of a russkie. Other than that they inflict non lethal, small wounds that will never prevent the russkie from coming back like a mindless lemming. Therefore the only real tactic there is is to attack with a few grenades per drone. The first grenade is to knock russkie down to the ground and make him lay or crawl. Every other one is to seriously eliminate russkie from the battlefield.

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

Execution of UA.

What we know about that video:

- Guy is smoking his last cigarette
- He is not scared
- He seems to know these people
- He is not tied up
- He is not beat up or anything

-> This is all very unusual if you watch other POW scenarios.

What we know in general:

- Videos are posted usually by the perpetrator/owner side.
- Earliest release of the video I could find was at 12:51 CET
by a pro UA "news" channel sharing content in English.
- Ukrainian soldiers revolted around Bakhmut
- Ukrainian soldiers executed their own before
- Ukrainians filmed and posted executions

So, this video looks to me like the execution:

1) of a Ukrainian soldier by his own for not following orders
2) of a Ukrainian officer by his soldiers for giving suicidal orders

-> What seems more likely to me.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

What we know about that video:

- Guy is smoking his last cigarette
- He is not scared
- He seems to know these people
- He is not tied up
- He is not beat up or anything

-> This is all very unusual if you watch other POW scenarios.

What we know in general:

- Videos are posted usually by the perpetrator/owner side.
- Earliest release of the video I could find was at 12:51 CET
by a pro UA "news" channel sharing content in English.
- Ukrainian soldiers revolted around Bakhmut
- Ukrainian soldiers executed their own before
- Ukrainians filmed and posted executions

So, this video looks to me like the execution:

1) of a Ukrainian soldier by his own for not following orders
2) of a Ukrainian officer by his soldiers for giving suicidal orders

-> What seems more likely to me.

EDIT: this guy could also be a Wagner soldier in a Ukrainian uniform. There are too many possibilities.

GTFO here with this crap. You've proven in the past that anything and everything you post is questionable. You pluck from questionable sources without even scrutinizing it yourself first. You've recently posted recycled footage of Russian soldiers claiming they were Ukrainians. You describe your videos like you're 13.

For those reasons people are caring less and less about what you think. How about waiting for more information to come out before you make a fool of yourself again.


Only posting this here because you are banned from the discussion thread.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

What we know about that video:

- Guy is smoking his last cigarette
- He is not scared
- He seems to know these people
- He is not tied up
- He is not beat up or anything

-> This is all very unusual if you watch other POW scenarios.

God you are a dumb mfer How are you this gullible, can you explain it to me?

[ljubodrag]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

What we know about that video:

- Guy is smoking his last cigarette
- He is not scared
- He seems to know these people
- He is not tied up
- He is not beat up or anything

-> This is all very unusual if you watch other POW scenarios.

What we know in general:

- Videos are posted usually by the perpetrator/owner side.
- Earliest release of the video I could find was at 12:51 CET
by a pro UA "news" channel sharing content in English.
- Ukrainian soldiers revolted around Bakhmut
- Ukrainian soldiers executed their own before
- Ukrainians filmed and posted executions

So, this video looks to me like the execution:

1) of a Ukrainian soldier by his own for not following orders
2) of a Ukrainian officer by his soldiers for giving suicidal orders

-> What seems more likely to me.

But to be clear, technically there is no definitive evidence either way, the video is too short and it's unclear who is shooting, both the camera and AKs.

These are my two cents about the video. I refrain from further speculations, until there is further evidence.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Stfu and keep your garbage commentary out of the media thread

[marekparek]

Originally Posted by ljubodrag ↗

What we know about that video:

- Guy is smoking his last cigarette
- He is not scared
- He seems to know these people
- He is not tied up
- He is not beat up or anything

-> This is all very unusual if you watch other POW scenarios.

What we know in general:

- Videos are posted usually by the perpetrator/owner side.
- Earliest release of the video I could find was at 12:51 CET
by a pro UA "news" channel sharing content in English.
- Ukrainian soldiers revolted around Bakhmut
- Ukrainian soldiers executed their own before
- Ukrainians filmed and posted executions

So, this video looks to me like the execution:

1) of a Ukrainian soldier by his own for not following orders
2) of a Ukrainian officer by his soldiers for giving suicidal orders

-> What seems more likely to me.

I put noodles on my ears and im listening to you. Go on