[Zeth351]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Blah blah blah WW3 shut the fuck up. Perhaps Russia shouldn't be starting wars? Putin knows if he launches a single nuke his whole dumpster fire country is toast.

Braindead take. You don't know history, you watch too much TV for idiots and you don't know how Putin works

Oh God.
I should have expected the dude who collects military gore videos may be unhinged.

It's called diplomacy.

Unless you are stating that the EU is going to push Russia over. You should try to come to an agreement.

The world knows Putin is a monster.
He WILL nuke the world on his way out.
He will.
He's thrown his own people into a meat grinder with fuck all equipment.


I have a feeling every answer that isn't "fuck yeah, anything to kill the Russkis" doesn't sit well with you.
Enjoy The Russian gore porn you fucking maniac.

[Vincentsdream]

Keep it civil yall.

[Zeth351]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

Keep it civil yall.

It's all good.

I won't interact from this point forward.
Whiskey is a legend here.
Trying to debate him is an uphill battle that benifets no one.

My point is, "Stop throwing bodies into the grinder" and "stop asking countries for more bodies"

If this can be solved, even for 4 years. That gives Ukraine a new avenue to explore their diplomatic options.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Zeth351 ↗

Oh God.
I should have expected the dude who collects military gore videos may be unhinged.

Don't get too high and mighty, you're here on DR with the rest of us

Originally Posted by Zeth351 ↗

It's called diplomacy.

We can all smile and be cordial but at the end of the day it's all about doing what you say you'll do. You can't do "diplomacy" with an absolute confirmed psycho who has an established reputation for breaking agreements and treaties. You would know this if you were awake the past two decades? So what is "diplomacy" worth at that point when your country is on the line?

Originally Posted by Zeth351 ↗

The world knows Putin is a monster.
He WILL nuke the world on his way out.
He will.
He's thrown his own people into a meat grinder with fuck all equipment.

I don't think he will but he's hoping we'll believe him. Either way, his paranoid narcissistic "I'm the modern Peter the Great" imperialist outlook on the world should never be rewarded, other leaders are taking notes. Is that a precedent you want to set while proclaiming "I just want peace"?

Originally Posted by Zeth351 ↗

I have a feeling every answer that isn't "fuck yeah, anything to kill the Russkis" doesn't sit well with you.
Enjoy The Russian gore porn you fucking maniac.

I will be extremely happy when this war ends and Ukraine's borders are restored. I never wanted this and wish it never happened but here we are, complete with idiots on the internet who feel compelled to give the biggest murderous asshole a W just because it's just sooo scaaary what he might do

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Zeth351 ↗

It's all good.

I won't interact from this point forward.
Whiskey is a legend here.
Trying to debate him is an uphill battle that benifets no one.

My point is, "Stop throwing bodies into the grinder" and "stop asking countries for more bodies"

If this can be solved, even for 4 years. That gives Ukraine a new avenue to explore their diplomatic options.

Thank you for the kind words. I apologize if I came across too strong there, I have an opinion clearly

[Rikbikboo]

Well he’s done it.

Trump pauses military aid to Ukraine

https://news.sky.com/story/trump-pau...raine-13321048

[scorpion9]

If you are worried about WW3, then you should demand more support for Ukraine, You should absolutely demand Trump to increase its commitment to NATO and EU. Cold war remained cold because the West was strong, stable, predictable and united. The worst thing Trump could do, is to destabilize the west, betray its allies, leave NATO and create an unpredictable geopolicial situation, where the russian führer might now see an opportunity to attack other European countries.
War, both nuclear and conventional was completely out of the question between Europe/NATO and russia. Russia saw zero threat from NATO and NATO saw zero threat from russia. Yes, there were concerns, but no one in the top brass believed that an attack against European countries could be within a few years. Now, that is a likely possibility. Putin may gamble that attacking the Baltics and Poland and trying to link Up with Transnistria will not pull in the rest of the European countries. Poland, whilst strong, is heavily dependent on US equipment. The führer might hope that trump dynasty will remain in power indefinitely and that he will cut Poland and the rest of EU off from required spare parts and ammo, effectively making the US equipment worthless( as is happening now in Ukraine, where HIMARS/Patriot systems will become simple trucks to carry groceries ) He may actually attack now, and if he is wrong, and UK/Germany/France/Spain/Italy all do respond to the invasion with full support with troops on the ground, then a real WW3 would unravel.

Peace through power.
Stability doesn't create wars, instability does.

"You must remember, Zelensky flew all the way to America to sign this deal."

Did Zelensky say that he flew to the US to sign a deal? Where did you get that idea from exactly?
According to the info i have, Zelensky flew to the US to finalize and discuss the deal. Discussing about security guarantees was part of the agenda for that day. There was never a promise or agreement to accept that deal without any guarantees.

Trump wants the narrative to stay about saving lives and peace.

If thats what he wanted, he would support Ukraine.
Its the easiest way to play for that narrative.
For example:

"We must support Ukrainian air defenses - without which, their men/women and children will die on daily attacks. Every Air defense missile we send will save lives, literally. Countless lives can be saved by protecting Ukrainian skies."

"We must send our best infantry fighting vehicles into Ukraine as soon as possible. Our vehicles are the best and will almost always save the crew, where the russian vehicles dont. Let us all save lives by giving Ukrainians some protection."

"We must send medicine, field hospitals and other life saving equipment - This is the only way to save the injured soldiers"

See, easy.

What trump is doing now is the exact opposite of that. By stopping aid, Ukraine will lose significant part of its air defense capability, which means that many civilians who would have been saved by the AA systems, will now have to die. Real people will die because of Trump.

Zelensky comes in and refuses to admit that Ukraine might lose the war.

He knows he might lose the war. It was never in question. It was not a topic of that day either. If someone brought it up, then that person went off topic.

Asks for American soldiers, more air defense then uses the signing as a platform to push attacks on Putin.

He did exactly what he was supposed to do in that meeting. Discuss minerals deal which was part of a first step towards a peace deal. Security guarantees are part of the peace deal - without it, you cant really even discuss a peace deal.
What Trump and Vance should have done, was behaving like adults and discuss the issues brought up, as they were supposed to do.
He also didnt push any attacks on Putin, he said things the way they were - that Putin has violated all prior agreements and peace treaties. Its reality - a fact. Now, you might say that when talking about a "peace deal with russia" - its an irrelevant off topic thing to bring up facts about how the russian führer violated prior deals, but...that would kind of make you look like a naiive idiot. What kind of kindergarten level diplomacy did you expect them to do?
Discuss nothing, talk about nothing...just sign a paper that is as vague as it gets and provides no value at all, since it doesn't even address the peace deal.

Trumps trying to stop that lunatic from having a shiny nuke dropped on his head.

As mentioned before - he is doing the exact opposite.
He is giving the russian führer signals of weakness and indecisiveness - just what the führer needs.
In my opinion, the best way to avoid a nuclear strike against Ukraine, would actually be to give them back their nuclear capability. Do you think that Moscow would attack Ukraine with nukes if they knew that Ukraine has the capability to wipe out Moscow as a retaliation? Do you really think that the führer would sacrifice Moscow and his imperial legacy? Nope. Peace through power - once again.

Just sign the paperwork you flew across the world to sign.
Stop Ukrainians from dying.

And how would that have stopped Ukrainians from dyeing?
Trump said he will end the war in 24 hours - that he has the super duper plan. All zelensky asked of them was " what is that plan". That minerals deal contained no pathway towards a lasting peace. It was mostly about how US could profit off of what remains of Ukraine post war...if any. Nothing in that peace deal suggested that something should remain of Ukraine. If Putin loses and gives up, Trump gets the minerals for free, if Putin wins and destroys all of Ukraine, Trump still gets the minerals for free- this time from Putin. Because Putin is willing to give trump the same minerals - there is no incentive for him to actually help Ukraine. Why would Ukraine sign a deal that is essentially worthless?

That meeting was absolute betrayal and unprofessional diplomacy on behalf of US. There is no debate about that. None.
In the future, if sanity returns into world politics, this meeting will be part of teaching material of how not to behave during a diplomatic meeting. How not to treat allies like they are second class citizens and enemies.

[Vincentsdream]

We fucked.

[kellyhound]

The United States has banned Britain from sharing intelligence from Washington with Ukraine as part of its withdrawal of support for Volodymyr Zelensky.

Donald Trump's decision to freeze American military aid to Kyiv yesterday brought warnings that Ukraine could run out of weapons in as little as two to three months' time.

But on top of missiles and ammunition, all UK intelligence agencies and military outlets also received an order expressly forbidding the sharing of US-generated intelligence, previously known as 'Rel UKR' - short for Releasable to Ukraine'.

Since the conflict began three years ago, the UK and other Western security partners such as Australia and New Zealand have shared such knowledge with Ukraine.

But the Mail has learnt the top-level security classification has now been removed by the United States pending further notification and is likely to impact upon Kyiv's ability to defend itself against Russia's continuing onslaught.

The ban affects the likes of the UK's GCHQ, the spy agencies and intelligence branches of the Ministry of Defence.

a Trump administration official said that Trump may decide to end even indirect support for Ukraine. Such assistance includes other types of military funding, intelligence sharing, training of Ukrainian military and pilots, and an international assistance management center at a US base in Germany.

As of now, there have been no changes in the US sharing intelligence with Ukraine. This is a different line of cooperation than the provision of weapons, as several sources in military and political circles told RBC-Ukraine.

“As for the transfer or exchange of intelligence data, Ukrainian agencies have not yet felt any changes, everything is as it was before,” said one of the sources.

Another source doubts that the Trump administration's decision to stop arms sending - if it goes into effect - will affect intelligence at all. According to the source, “This is a different line of cooperation.”

If Trump/Musk decides to block starlink in Ukr. they're fucked straight away as 45.000 units are in use.

Why Trump attacks Zelensky for not stopping the war he didn't started and not russia for invading Ukr. is beyond many people. It's like attacking the weaker to praise yourself for ending a fight.

If you saw the state of the union speech you know it's all about how great he is plus all the sheep clapping their hands red eventhough he didn't have all the facts straight. Reminds me of dictatorships. Seems like the U.S. prioritizes security and profit over democracy.

[Rikbikboo]

Is Trump going to do a Poo-tin and invade Greenland ?