[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

I think Faust has me muted again

I can remember learning from experience that yes explosions eject material out, but during and after the explosion burns up a lot of air and then has a "vacuum" effect, sucking in material that's lightweight. This is best seen when something very dry and dusty is hit.

This applies to bombs which dont carry their own oxidizers...i.e fuel/air bombs...which are also refferred to as vacuum bombs...even though they arent really vacuum bombs.
I would say that the effect of the suction/vacuum is quite insignificant since the main damage dealer is the overpressure, shrapnel and heat from the main blast, not the underpressure that comes after.
Simply put, if you are far enough from the bomb that the explosion doesnt kill you, then you are far enough for the suction effect not to kill you either.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Current Russian deaths. That's only 6,000 short of US Vietnam deaths x 2. Yes, times two, and in less than a year of warfare. Absolute insanity.

There are 2 things i would mention here, just for context.

1) US was fighting on the other side of the planet...far from its supply lines. Its hard to imagine how much more effective US would have been, if their frontlines were 90 miles away from their border.

2) Russia lost 6 000 000 people in the second world war. Thats about 1 million men per year( ignoring civilian deaths)
This means that Russia has massive capacity for building human shields and waves of bio-robots. When Putin said that they havent really started anything yet...well, he was kind of right. This 100 000 deaths is nothing when put into context of past large scale wars involving Russia.
Putin could throw away all the prisoners....500 000 and effectively lose nothing.
He could then throw away another 2-3 000 000 people before people's minds would start to change. The problem with wars is that the more you escalate and "invest" in it, the more you want to cling on and double down.
Its called sunk-cost fallacy, and it would keep Russians ready and willing to throw away their lives even after millions have already died for nothing.

Russia can mobilize millions and it could eventually take over Ukraine...but god knows how many lives its gona take to put down the guerilla resistance.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

There are 2 things i would mention here, just for context.

1) US was fighting on the other side of the planet...far from its supply lines. Its hard to imagine how much more effective US would have been, if their frontlines were 90 miles away from their border.

2) Russia lost 6 000 000 people in the second world war. Thats about 1 million men per year( ignoring civilian deaths)
This means that Russia has massive capacity for building human shields and waves of bio-robots. When Putin said that they havent really started anything yet...well, he was kind of right. This 100 000 deaths is nothing when put into context of past large scale wars involving Russia.
Putin could throw away all the prisoners....500 000 and effectively lose nothing.
He could then throw away another 2-3 000 000 people before people's minds would start to change. The problem with wars is that the more you escalate and "invest" in it, the more you want to cling on and double down.
Its called sunk-cost fallacy, and it would keep Russians ready and willing to throw away their lives even after millions have already died for nothing.

Russia can mobilize millions and it could eventually take over Ukraine...but god knows how many lives its gona take to put down the guerilla resistance.

6 million Russian military deaths in WW2? I do know that the total Russian dead (mostly civilians of course) was 20 million plus.

Back then Russia was attacked (and was even deceived by Hitler who violated his agreement with Stalin) so they were justified in responding fully. I don't blame them. Plus back then information was on much tighter lock down. If the actual Nazis managed to win, and take Russia over, they would have been subject to a whole new slew of concentration camps and extermination. Real ugly stuff.

Putin today has no such luxuries when it comes to defending his actions. Russia was not attacked and a lot of Russians understand this. Information on fallacies and dissent is more available today. Yes you have the older generations who lived through Communism who are conditioned to not ask questions (my great grandparents and their children before they became victims of Soviet government) and praise the dear leader no matter what he does, but the younger people today are less compliant because of how much they've been influenced by other factors.

The real question is just how many more deaths will the "average" Russian endure without asking more hard questions and doing something about it... and I don't think it will be 300,000 more... maybe I'm wrong. I don't believe the Russian military, economy and industry is even capable of sustaining this at the level the Soviets did in history. And they're largely alone unlike the past. They've been essentially blackballed.

So far I'm not at all impressed with the average Russian's "bullshit" meter, maybe that will change in the near future. So far I see Russians as over-obedient whose passiveness rivals that of farm livestock. That might not even be their fault but we will see, I would wager that will change at some point.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

6 million Russian military deaths in WW2? I do know that the total Russian dead (mostly civilians of course) was 20 million plus.

Back then Russia was attacked (and was even deceived by Hitler who violated his agreement with Stalin) so they were justified in responding fully. I don't blame them. Plus back then information was on much tighter lock down. If the actual Nazis managed to win, and take Russia over, they would have been subject to a whole new slew of concentration camps and extermination. Real ugly stuff.

Putin today has no such luxuries when it comes to defending his actions. Russia was not attacked and a lot of Russians understand this. Information on fallacies and dissent is more available today. Yes you have the older generations who lived through Communism who are conditioned to not ask questions (my great grandparents and their children before they became victims of Soviet government) and praise the dear leader no matter what he does, but the younger people today are less compliant because of how much they've been influenced by other factors.

The real question is just how many more deaths will the "average" Russian endure without asking more hard questions and doing something about it... and I don't think it will be 300,000 more... maybe I'm wrong. I don't believe the Russian military, economy and industry is even capable of sustaining this at the level the Soviets did in history. And they're largely alone unlike the past. They've been essentially blackballed.

So far I'm not at all impressed with the average Russian's "bullshit" meter, maybe that will change in the near future. So far I see Russians as over-obedient whose passiveness rivals that of farm livestock. That might not even be their fault but we will see, I would wager that will change at some point.

Totally Agree !
IMO, There will be a revolution from within IF the Russian PPL can see the destruction through their own eyes & get a handle on the truth of it all rather than the roundabout propaganda that is being spoon feed to them 24/7.

[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by Roosta ↗

Totally Agree !
IMO, There will be a revolution from within IF the Russian PPL can see the destruction through their own eyes & get a handle on the truth of it all rather than the roundabout propaganda that is being spoon feed to them 24/7.

I think it's more likely to see break away states rather than another red and whiteish conflict. Putin is the new tsar but there's no new communist crack to rally behind. Technically this is already a civil war that is shifting the power back to Kiev where it started way back when. I could see a revolution in Belarus that joins a Ukrainian Federation in maybe 50 years.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

- Russians torturing a captured Ukrainian. Not sure if true but reportedly they cut his eyes out after this. No proof of that I could find. I can hear him saying "Please, no"

OMG. Maybe I'm feeling particularly sensitive today... I don't have periods anymore so that's not it () but this all really sucks especially bad today.

Between this, the pov footage and those haunting preshelling photos in Makiivka.

Might have to go have a good cry.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

I hear ya WM, I feel for their families but as for them... they knew the risks. Some of them were drafted though. War is hell

[duntez]

Supposedly one of this Ukr POW is the guy threatened with the knife. Didn’t get executed or hurt.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

"Igor Girkin-Strelkov blames Putin for appointing "cretins and traitors" in military leadership."

This former Russian FSB agent has a serious set of nuts saying things like this so openly on the internet.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

"I won't hide it - it's nice!"

Propagandists excitedly comment the rocket strike of a residential building in Dnipro.

25 people confirmed dead in the strike, 73 injured, 43 are missing in Dnipro as of now.

- Girkin and his 2 cents on the outcome of this war.