[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by marekparek ↗

Discussion about armed drones

Yes... this. Drones with rifles would be even more effective against personnel and the skill set of the operator could be lower for the same or greater effect!

[Wailode]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Trump will make the world whole again. He would freeze Zelensky his offshore accounts until he signs the peace-treaty. Have some peacekeepers patrol the Ukrainian cities and also the former Ukrainian cities. Sell a lot of guns to Europe. Create more jobs. Cancel late-term abortion. Allow for online freedom of speech. And some other stuff. But he would end the conflict for 4 years. 4 years means soldiers get to see their kids at least grow up a little bit, teach them how to walk, speak, etc. Would that not be a beautiful thing? 4 years of peace

This is better side of Trump at last, he is actually more into business then starting wars that he cant win.

And about that question from Whiskey. Yes, he is defending. Ukraine is russian sphere of influence, its their borders. It was also part of ZSSR not just long time ago. Time to wake up to reality. Ukraine asked for nuclear weapons and militarized themselves for years under NATO support. Its only natural for russians to de-militarizy them. Especially with the level of their corruption. Russia is super power, not just some neigbhourhood state that u can poke and underdmine

Try to take Taiwan from China and you will get same results. This is how super powers act. Its natural pre-emptive defense in their sphere of influence.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

This is better side of Trump at last, he is actually more into business then starting wars that he cant win.

And about that question from Whiskey. Yes, he is defending. Ukraine is russian sphere of influence, its their borders. It was also part of ZSSR not just long time ago. Time to wake up to reality. Ukraine asked for nuclear weapons and militarized themselves for years under NATO support. Its only natural for russians to de-militarizy them. Especially with the level of their corruption. Russia is super power, not just some neigbhourhood state that u can poke and underdmine

Try to take Taiwan from China and you will get same results. This is how super powers act. Its natural pre-emptive defense in their sphere of influence.

A "super power" that was stopped by Ukraine's own military before they really started receiving significant help.

Super power not so much, just saying. Ukraine wanted nukes because of the nature of their neighbor. They were a part of the USSR and like the Baltic states they know fully well of Russia's poor intentions. Russia can suck a gigantic bag of dicks and then kick a tin can down the road

[Guns N' Coffee]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

I will be at the inauguration when Trump becomes president again

Doubly doubtful

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Wailode ↗

This is better side of Trump at last, he is actually more into business then starting wars that he cant win.

And about that question from Whiskey. Yes, he is defending. Ukraine is russian sphere of influence, its their borders. It was also part of ZSSR not just long time ago. Time to wake up to reality. Ukraine asked for nuclear weapons and militarized themselves for years under NATO support. It's only natural for russians to de-militarizy them. Especially with the level of their corruption. Russia is super power, not just some neigbhourhood state that u can poke and underdmine

Try to take Taiwan from China and you will get same results. This is how super powers act. Its natural pre-emptive defense in their sphere of influence.

First, Trup is retarded and ... im not surprised that the pro-Russian group here is a fan of Trump. Russians helped him into power and he is as corrupt as it can get. Trump also knows nothing about the life of working class people or .... people in general. He was born into obscene wealth and has done everything in his life and presidency to make it easier for rich people to become even richer and poorer people to stay poor.
Of all the people who could be a president of the US, Trump is the worst. An empty chair would be better than Trump. He was the greatest threat to US democracy since US was founded.

Yes, he is defending. Ukraine is Russian sphere of influence, it's their borders.

This is just flat-out retarded. Im not sure if more explanation is needed. Again, we might as well say that India belongs to Brittain because it was colonized by them previously. Russian sphere of influence = history of Russian occupation and trying to justify historical occupation is just retarded. Its 21st century and imperialism should have no place in the world anymore.

I get that you guys have fallen off some kind of wagon and hate US so much that you are willing to approve the murder and occupation of anyone...as long as the victim has some form of association with the US.

Ukraine is an independent country. If it wants to join NATO...then it can. If it wants to militarize, then it can. Russia militarized itself prior to this war. Would US have been justified in nuking Russia or demanding Russia to stop increasing its military budget and modernizing its military? How about Poland demanding Russia to stop militarizing? Your instant answer is no...because derp... it's Russia, and you love Russia and its dick'tator. It's not the militarization that you have a problem with, it's the fact that Ukraine wants to align itself to the west and the US...and your deep hatred towards the US blinds you to the fact that people have their own free will.

Putin just wanted to get some quick and cheap political points by capturing Ukraine...and he fucked up. Instead of admitting it, he doubled down, because....you know, he is a strong...big, powerful, mighty man with a large dick and admitting a mistake would be equal to cutting his balls off. This war isn't a war between Russia and Ukraine, it's a war between Putin and Ukraine. Russians who die in the war aren't dying for their motherland, they are dying for Putin.

[Wailode]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

A "super power" that was stopped by Ukraine's own military before they really started receiving significant help.

Super power not so much, just saying. Ukraine wanted nukes because of the nature of their neighbor. They were a part of the USSR and like the Baltic states they know fully well of Russia's poor intentions. Russia can suck a gigantic bag of dicks and then kick a tin can down the road

They were not stopped, they have methodic war, with most of the people here dont even understand. For example, if they fought like barbaric USA, bombing directly cities, civilians etc. fast war - etc. Bakhmut would fall in few days with massive casaulties on citizens etc. with is not russian way of fighting. But naive people from USA take it as weakness.

And yes, only reason why ukraine regime didnt falled yet is that it is supported by collective west, with will be even bigger failure as time goes on. Because everyone sane can see it is just question of time.

I think, in some way russians are even glad that all weapons are sent on ukraine under their firepower and ballistic missles, it was purpose of their actions, to demilitarize their borders and weaken potential agression on them. Their industrial complex is profiting big from this.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

What skorpion said. ^

Agreed about Trump. I've always thought he was a buffoon. I was embarrassed to call him president even though I lean towards the right side of the US political spectrum.

I agree that the pro-Rus group's reasoning for being so against Ukraine is dubious - they hate America and Biden so much, anything they touch should be killed with fire. It's a highly emotional response and a dangerous, stupid mindset to have.

[Wailode]

And to scorpio. Both are bad. But Biden is just senile old man rambling nonsense and starting wars that he cant win. Everyone can clearly see that he is just puppet. His base is full of woke normies who ignore large scale problems in state. Trump at least didnt started any wars. With made him a lot better alternative.

About defending. No. Ukraine is Russian sphere of influence. If west doesnt recognize it, they will recognize it by force. They understand only argument ad baculum. USA used same tactics in cuba or yugoslavia. So no one is taking their rules anymore. No one will listen to hypocrite and bully. Maybe satelite states or their colonies.

About Russia. Putin gained popularity, more political and business opportunities from east, India and China. Ruble is going up. BRICS is stronger. Most of the world is staying neutral. He rly dont care what collective west think, this was his goodbye to this whole mess "empire of lies" as he called it. And he is open for challenge on battlefield. He doesnt give shit. He know what will happen if he backs down and russians know it too. They aint stupid. Hard times are coming mostly for europe. I am part of europe, so I think this conflict harmed me in some way. Eastern countries know russians better then most of USA people. They are hard, brutal, straightforward and will not back down. You cant break them that easily. Its just not some shithole asian country. They are very proud and patriots. Ukraine is just like their smaller brother.

[jkesil]

Oh hahahahah

The super-power sphere of influence argument.

Ok.

Well.

To have a sphere of influence you have to be a super power first.

russkieland isn’t. There’s just 140M of russkies. And it’s depopulating quickly. Kind of like 600 men a day - you know why ;)

Super power would never be stopped by such a poor country like Ukraine.

But it is what it is.

China is a super power. 10 times bigger in population!

So more precisely - russkieland is a Chinese sphere of influence.

That’s what it is.

That’s exactly what you see lookin mg at putin’s face when he’s humiliated by his Asian neighbors when he waits for them before joint meetings.

Just poor.

[Wailode]

Originally Posted by jkesil ↗

Oh hahahahah


russkieland isn’t. There’s just 140M of russkies. And it’s depopulating quickly. Kind of like 600 men a day - you know why ;)


That’s what it is.

You dont have to be 1B to be superpower. Its more about collective symbol - identity, holding nuclear weapons and have strong politics, normal economy and sphere of influence - business. West is atomized, no clear identity, chaos. That is big difference

West of Russia and her many bigger cities are to this day one of the best places to live. And on eastern side you have Vladivostok with is something like "russian south korea" Its not crowded shit like India or Mexico. Russia is rich on resources. They rly dont need more people to be happy. They know how to defend themselves and how to do business. I think their future is more bright then most of the western states.