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11-12-2022, 10:25 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread III
Who's Toli?  These two situations are apples and oranges, meaning, while they are both the same in they show atrocities done by military personnel, they cannot be compared based on circumstances that surround them overall. and... There was uniform insignia in that Kupyansk video... and... The Kupyansk video was posted by a member of the Ukrainian military, not some donkey trying to get internet famous. and... There's been plenty of evidence of other Russian war crimes all over the place and... Russia has made numerous statements that it will eliminate any of the gay, nazi, satanists who can't be coerced. and... Russia is the bad guy here. They illegally invaded another country. and... Have you seen the videos from Kherson lately of the people Russia claimed were in favor of joining Russia during it's bullshit annexation? They are fucking elated... the fact anyone would have believed these people ever wanted to be a part of Russia to begin with is just ignorant. One of the many ways someone will lose their credibility with me as they have lost all grip on reality. and... Truth is there's a small percentage of the population actually living in these areas that wish to be independent or with Russia and Ukraine's answer to that is... "tough titty". and finally... Russia doesn't belong in Ukraine and if they weren't there, none of these people would be dying and you and I wouldn't be having this argument for the 93,845th time. EDIT: 
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#162
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11-12-2022, 10:37 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread III
Russia should have thought about that before it illegally invaded a country, murdered innocent people, and stole territory that does not belong to them. Did you think that allies of Ukraine were just going to sit back and let Russia rape and pillage the country? That's not how it works. Yes, yes, we all know and acknowledge the west having a vested interest in this war... but that does not explain away the fact that Ukraine does not belong to Russia. Russia stuck it's tiny dick in a whopping hornets nest, so to speak. You shouldn't be saying shit about corruption and racism as a Russian supporter. It's hypocritical. Russia is the eastern European capital of such things. Groundhog day in here, once again.
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#163
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11-12-2022, 11:13 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread III
There was uniform insignia in that Kupyansk video... Here you can see Ukr uniform. So what? Anyone can get Rus or Ukr uniform, with all the badges and all... not a proof. The Kupyansk video was posted by a member of the Ukrainian military, not some donkey trying to get internet famous. Initially it was posted by Zhorin from "Azov"...he is also a leader of far right party " NacKorpus" in Kharkiv region. So he is not just a regular soldier. Now idk whether he is donkey or not, but for sure cable of making shit up. There's been plenty of evidence of other Russian war crimes all over the place Same goes for Ukr Russia has made numerous statements that it will eliminate any of the gay, nazi, satanists who can't be coerced. Same goes for Ukr. Collaborators ( even if it wasn't their fault), Russians etc Russia is the bad guy here. They illegally invaded another country. To use this statement as a proof to this or any video is just wrong. It would work better with the question like "why would you believe more to Ukr TCs than Rus?" Have you seen the videos from Kherson lately of the people Russia claimed were in favor of joining Russia during it's bullshit annexation? They are fucking elated... the fact anyone would have believed these people ever wanted to be a part of Russia to begin with is just ignorant. One of the many ways someone will lose their credibility with me as they have lost all grip on reality. Like I said before referendums and after " I do not buy it...shit is obviously rigged" Russia doesn't belong in Ukraine and if they weren't there, none of these people would be dying and you and I wouldn't be having this argument for the 93,845th time. It doesn't. Except Krimea and Donbas. And I do believe that numbers of referendum in Donbas are close to legit. And Krimean in 2014 are legit too. Its a surprise to me that you didn't agree with me pretty much saying "we see what we want to see". Because I know that you know that this saying is true. |
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#164
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11-12-2022, 11:27 PM
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 You believe Kherson referendums were rigged, but insisted those soldiers going door to door with guns were escorting civilians for their safety... and that the referendum for Crimea and Putin stealing Crimea in 2014 was legit? Only in your head because you want it to be. Same with Donbas. THEY ARE UKRAINIAN TERRITORY. Duntez, I'm not going to do this with you again. Everything you said in that reply is absolutely insane. I can't reason with that. There are already reports coming out that the guy in the sledgehammer video was a Russian soldier or possibly with the Wagner group.... and wanted to switch sides. Wagner reportedly found him in Kyiv, snatched him and then did this to him with a hammer for deserting and switching sides. It was supposedly filmed in Voronezh Oblast, RUSSIA. Still no irrefutable proof so I will remain unconvinced of anything But I'm pretty sure this is yet another example of some pro-Russian asshole trying to make something Russian in origin look Ukrainian. EDIT: added the original post of the video screenshot from "Grey Zone" (Wagner Telegram).and then video showing another video on what Wagner does with defectors. Hmmm... there's even some sledgehammer action. I can't watch the video all the way through, I don't watch beheadings. Also adding a number of posts across the internet about this sledgehammer video: ""Wagner" channel published a video with ex-prisoner Yevgeny Nuzhin, personally recruited by Prigozhin in the Ryazan IK-3, who signed up as a volunteer in September and surrendered, was hit on the head with a sledgehammer and died." ================== "Presumably he was exchanged in the Last exchange. Remember 45+2 group foto from couple days ago. That was the exchange with wagner. Tomorrow we Will know for sure." ================== "Ok, there are few things and not really clear, I agree: -Many posts in Ukrainian telegrams channels and some Russian channels says that he was exchanged in the last batch. -The video originated in Wagner’s channel Grey Zone -Wagners have vows to execute traitors. So it show to Russians to not changed sides. -Things like a hummer execution was widely used by Wagners in Syria (there are many disgusting videos). It’s not very clear I agree, but why would Ukrainians do this video? They don’t give a shot about this piece of crap human being."
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#165
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11-12-2022, 11:40 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread III
EVERYTHING? Wow..ok. Ignorance within you seems to raise up from day to day...sadly. You already said that you will not talk to me about it before, idk why ur taking mine and most importantly your own time on this BS? We didn't want to be a part of that new Ukr and asked Russia to take us in. If you cant wrap this fact around your head its not my fault. This used to be my country and my people. Krimea is where I was born...its my homeland, so I might know a little more about wtf was going on there, than you..least you could do is respect this fact. AND about that video. IDK why you telling me all this, I didn't say I trust this video. I just compared it to the one in forrest. Both videos cant be used as a proof for either side |
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#166
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11-12-2022, 11:56 PM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread III
Those Russians really are maniacs, murdering this wagner guy because he wanted to fight putin
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#167
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11-13-2022, 12:15 AM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread III
Then MOVE TO RUSSIA. Just because you live(d) there and don't like the Ukrainian government doesn't give you or anyone else, Putin included, free reign to take Crimea. It belongs to Ukraine and it's not yours, Russia's or anyone else's unless they decide to give it to you. Russia and it's handful of allies are the only one's on the planet that think their bullshit referendum is legit. I understand you don't like it and that has really got to suck... but I guess that's why you moved to the US. Perhaps everyone else that hates Ukraine should just move out of Ukraine and go live in Russia. I really don't know but this is not rocket science. And yes, I'm absolutely DONE talking to you about this.
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#168
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11-13-2022, 12:46 AM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread III
your arguments, while they make a perfect sense in perfect conditions, are superficial and very simple, when the subject we are debating about is very difficult to understand for a foreigner. And I said I fucking hate That fucking goverment of 2014 and values it brought with it. I love Ukraine. And I didn't run to US from UA...I came here when I was 19, it was just an awesome journey for me, travel.. im done too
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11-13-2022, 12:55 AM
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Re: Russian/Ukraine War Discussion Thread III
WOW, look at all those HIMARS, i thought Russia said they destroyed them all, i bet they are ready to unleash hell on some fresh stolen off the street Muscovite
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