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First, there are more nazis in Russia than Ukraine.
Secondly, this nazi thing was just an excuse to start a war. If they had hated the nazis so much, then they wouldn't have let them go in during the prisoner exchange.

Lastly, it seems you have gobbled up the Russian propaganda about a coup in Ukraine?
When was there a coup in Ukraine?

Hint:
A coup is a seizure of power by some powerful organized group, usually an armed group.

A revolution is when the general population kicks out the corrupt government. Revolution is unplanned, without leaders to claim power and usually develops as the general mass starts to fight for a common cause.

Revolution is what Russia needs right now.
Revolution is what every democratic country needs to be afraid of. It's the reminder that you cant fuck over people's will.

I know Lavrov keeps repeating the word "coup" and tries to spoon-feed it to gullible RT fans...but its just factually incorrect.

If Russians were half as brave as the Ukrainians during maidan revolution, they would have a thriving democracy by now, and living standards far higher than those in Germany or France.
Actually Boneface told me about “misanthropic division” and the events of the maidan

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would have a thriving democracy by now, and living standards far higher than those in Germany or France.
Yeah, Ukraine now really has a thriving democracy with living standards far higher than those in Germany or France
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Actually Boneface told me about “misanthropic division” and the events of the maidan

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Yeah, Ukraine now really has a thriving democracy with living standards far higher than those in Germany or France
Ukraine was under the Russian thumb for all this time...and now its at war. Your comparrison is just flat hout dishonest and stupid....perhaps even retarded. Ukraine is also far from being free of Russian influence within its politics. Decades of installing pupets into every oblast of ukraine takes time to reverse.

How is it that germany and france can have such a high quality of life but Russia( especially outer regions and neighbors of russia) can't?
Imagine Germany if it also had endless natural resources.

Ukraine being poor atm is a result of Russian influence and corruption. All countries that have re-oriented themselves towards the west and joined EU have benefited greatly and their economic rise started almost immediately after.
I live in a country that was occupied by Russia and i have seen the 10 fold increase in quality of life myself. I have traveled to other previously occupied countries that have turned towards west, and they are also much better off now.

This is why the maidan revolution happened and why Putin was terrified of Ukraine looking towards the west. Ukrainians wanted to get rid of the corrupt russian puppets that kept them poor and embezzled billions of their tax money. Russia can't have itself be surrouned by economies that are doing well and keep explaining their border oblasts that they are poor because of some random x reason whilst right accross the border everything is better.
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- Ukraine blowing up dam Pro's:

- Greatly reduced fresh water for Russian-held Crimea, war of attrition

- Virtually eliminate remaining Russian resistance in Kherson city (right bank) of the Dnipr river and everything north of it.
I'd say Ukraine at this moment would not benefit at all from blowing up the dam.

If they wanted to blow up the dam, they would have done so when the Russian army was dug in and intended to stay. Now they are retreating and Ukraine is gona take Kherson anyways.

Since Ukraine is gona take Kherson, they also dont need to worry about the water supply. They can limit the supply after they have taken over Kherson too.
Blowing up the dam would pretty much put an end to the Kherson offencive for a while.

And...as you said, Ukraine probably doesnt have the means to blow up the dam...at least not in a way that wouldnt be obvious that it was Ukraine. Dams are massive mountains of reinforced concrete. If you look how many himars rockets it took to just damage the antonovsky bridge then you can imagine how many more it would take to make a hole in the dam.

I read from some military blogs that Russians have already mined the dam.
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An almost 2-kilometer fortification has been constructed outside the Russian-occupied town of Hirske, in eastern Ukraine.

Two Russian media outlets have reported from the fortification site, which they named the “Wagner Line” referring to the Russian mercenary Wagner Group. Zvedza TV, the media outlet for the Russian military, said it was a “second line of defense” if the Ukrainians tried to break through in the area.

Although the fortification could help defend against a frontal attack, there’s nothing stopping Ukrainian forces from just traveling around the fortifications, which only stretch 1.6 kilometers or just over a mile.

RIA/FAN, a Russian tabloid, published a map on Wednesday claiming the Wagner group would continue building their “line” until it stretches east from the Russian-Ukrainian border to Kreminna, and then south to Svitlodarsk.

The Russians and their allies are using mid-20th century tactics to wage a 21st century war. Good luck with that.
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I'd say Ukraine at this moment would not benefit at all from blowing up the dam.

If they wanted to blow up the dam, they would have done so when the Russian army was dug in and intended to stay. Now they are retreating and Ukraine is gona take Kherson anyways.

Since Ukraine is gona take Kherson, they also dont need to worry about the water supply. They can limit the supply after they have taken over Kherson too.
Blowing up the dam would pretty much put an end to the Kherson offencive for a while.

And...as you said, Ukraine probably doesnt have the means to blow up the dam...at least not in a way that wouldnt be obvious that it was Ukraine. Dams are massive mountains of reinforced concrete. If you look how many himars rockets it took to just damage the antonovsky bridge then you can imagine how many more it would take to make a hole in the dam.

I read from some military blogs that Russians have already mined the dam.
Yes, I agree that it could be a very interesting turning point in the war, what's going on in Kherson & the Dam issue.

IMO, I think that the outcome of the battle for Kherson will be a very decisive battle in terms of what the orcs do next as I think that with Ukraine getting the upper hand that the orcs will have no option but to destroy the dam slowing down the Uk advance & give the invaders time to reinforce the surrounding areas as well as train their newly conscripted cannon fodder a bit better. What is concerning thought is the fact that if they do blow the dam to slow down the inevitable Uk advance is how they do it.

Firstly: They could use conventional weapons to do it BUT it would take a massive amount of firepower to breach the integrity of the dam given the reinforced steel rebar concrete, which I might add is several meters thick which leads me to the secondary option that Putin could also be considering & that is a nightmarish scenario.

Secondary: Russia takes the inevitable defeat at Kherson to be the final roll of the dice for them & do retreat just enough so that they can blow the dam with a nuke & not only send a clear message to Uk but to also contaminate the water completely so that many Uk will suffer not only from the blast, but the fallout 2 as it will spread further in the water supply & contaminate everything in the area killing thousands for years to come.
Doing this would be most logical under there "Scorched Earth Policy" & using others natural resources against them has always been a smart fundamental aspect of warfare, let's just hope that it doesn't come down to either of these options as I wouldn't put anything past a slowly dying cornered snake. (No offence to the snake of course.)

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Ukraine was under the Russian thumb for all this time...and now its at war. Your comparrison is just flat hout dishonest and stupid....perhaps even retarded. Ukraine is also far from being free of Russian influence within its politics. Decades of installing pupets into every oblast of ukraine takes time to reverse.

How is it that germany and france can have such a high quality of life but Russia( especially outer regions and neighbors of russia) can't?
Imagine Germany if it also had endless natural resources.

Ukraine being poor atm is a result of Russian influence and corruption. All countries that have re-oriented themselves towards the west and joined EU have benefited greatly and their economic rise started almost immediately after.
I live in a country that was occupied by Russia and i have seen the 10 fold increase in quality of life myself. I have traveled to other previously occupied countries that have turned towards west, and they are also much better off now.

This is why the maidan revolution happened and why Putin was terrified of Ukraine looking towards the west. Ukrainians wanted to get rid of the corrupt russian puppets that kept them poor and embezzled billions of their tax money. Russia can't have itself be surrouned by economies that are doing well and keep explaining their border oblasts that they are poor because of some random x reason whilst right accross the border everything is better.
Once I read “Ukraine is poor is a result of Russian influence” I just stopped. The amount of ignorance or hate towards Russia is just outstanding with this one statement.
Did you see the size of France or Germany? How much it
Takes to build a roads or rail roads for instance, just this one example should make you wonder a little if it’s not, than pointless to continue
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Once I read “Ukraine is poor is a result of Russian influence” I just stopped. The amount of ignorance or hate towards Russia is just outstanding with this one statement.
Did you see the size of France or Germany? How much it
Takes to build a roads or rail roads for instance, just this one example should make you wonder a little if it’s not, than pointless to continue

What is wrong with people like you...i just don't get it?

Ist it really patriotism....blind obedience...slave mentality....what is it?

This claim of "hate towards Russia" or "russofobia" must be so drilled into Russians that it has become a blanket defense against any criticism of their authority. Russia might nuke and kill millions of innocent civilians and you would still say that criticizing Russia would be "Russophobia"

I have talked to a lot of religious fundamentalists online and I recognize a similar level of fundamentalism here.

I don't hate Russia or Russians. I just recognize reality. Russia is ruled by corrupt dictators and it's one giant kleptocracy. Countries that have turned away from Russian kleptocracy have started to improve their economies almost immediately.

Ukraine is poor because of Russian influence...because that's the reality. It was ruled by kleptocrats and it served Moscow...just like Russian oblasts away from Moscow. The funny videos online showing Russian soldiers digging a hole in the middle of the apartment to take a shit because they don't recognize a flush-toilet show how poor Russia is when you look away from Moscow. I am 100% confident that all Russian territories would be better off if they were independent and didn't serve Moscow.

The size of the country doesn't really matter that much. If 1 million people can build a fair and prospering economy then another million elsewhere can do the same. You just replicate what the first million people did everywhere.

In Russia, if you don't live in Moscow or the European part of Russia...then you can go fuck yourself. Your dictator doesn't give a shit about you in that case. Most mobilized cannon fodder also comes from the poorer part of Russia.
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