[duntez]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

I'm not even sure how to answer this. If I'm going to spend time and energy forming a cult, I will be leader...muah ah ahhh aaaahhhhh .

ummm I have one female leader in my life already, so its a big NO

[WonderMomma]

That's the "beauty" in cults. The leader charms you with her wisdom and charisma... you don't even realize you're falling right into her hands... until it's too late and you're all drinking poisonous grape kool-aid.

Muahhahahahhahh



I'm kidding. I don't do cults.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Paris is still going. I think one guy got wrecked by the police

Love how the French protesters appear to be much better prepared than lets say the Russian protesters, with their little helmets and all

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

"Russian prisoners, who were returned to Russia as part of the exchange, say that no one abused them in Ukraine"

Wish we could say that when it comes to Ukrainian prisoners/civilians.

Russian forces and others operating under their command routinely tortured detainees during their six-month occupation of Izium, a city in the Kharkiv region of northeastern Ukraine, Human Rights Watch said today.

Survivors described being subjected to electric shock, waterboarding, severe beatings, threats at gunpoint, and being forced to hold stress positions for extended periods. They identified at least seven locations in the city, including two schools, where they said soldiers had detained and abused them.

“The cruel violence and abuse in Izium were not random incidents,” said Belkis Wille, senior crisis and conflict researcher at Human Rights Watch. “Multiple victims shared credible accounts with us of similar experiences of torture during interrogation in facilities under the control of Russian forces and their subordinates, indicating this treatment was part of a policy and plan.”

In late September and early October, Human Rights Watch spoke with over 100 people in Izium who were there during the Russian occupation of the city, from March to early September 2022. Almost all said that they had a family member or friend who had been tortured, and fifteen people, fourteen men and one woman, described being tortured themselves.

One of the men had ties to the armed forces but the rest were civilians. The families and friends of two other men who were detained and tortured said the men killed themselves within days their release.

Those detained were taken from their homes, on the street, or from an outdoor market and held for up to 14 days. All the men said they were given electric shocks or beaten with hands, rifle butts, metal pipes, plastic pipes, a rubber hose, and in one instance a stick with a bag of sand at the end. One man was detained five times and tortured multiple times during each detention.

The woman said soldiers slapped her, punched her in the stomach, and threatened to rape her during her day-long detention. The Washington Post reported the case of another woman apparently held in the same room at a different time, who said she was repeatedly raped. A man held there at the same time said he heard women screaming and overheard soldiers talking about sexual violence against at least one detainee.

One 21-year-old man said soldiers detained him at an outdoor market on July 5 or 6 because they saw a tattoo on his elbow which he said is common among some people with right wing views. He said he had the tattoo because it was also popular among some Ukrainian football fans.

One man detained in early April from his workplace at the water pumping station said the soldiers forced him to be recorded on video while they accused him of being a “Banderovets,” a term used derogatorily by Russians to refer to Ukrainians who support their government; the term is an allusion to the anti-Soviet partisan movement during World War II. When he was released two days later, some of his friends told him that they had seen the video. Human Rights Watch located the video reposted on YouTube, showing the man researchers interviewed being accused of being a “Banderovets.”

All those detained said they were ordered to reveal the names of Izium residents who served in the police force, the Territorial Defense Forces, or were veterans of the 2014 Ukrainian military and security force operations in the Donbas region, known as ATO. Some were accused of possessing weapons or drugs. Two said they were asked directly whether they supported Russia. Russian forces tried to compel one man who had a generator at his home to sign a document handing his home over to them. Another said forces came to his home, put marijuana on his kitchen table, and demanded that he sign a confession that he possessed drugs.

All of those interviewed who were detained said Russian soldiers stole items from them, including money, jewelry, electronics, and cars.

Human Rights Watch has previously documented Russian forces’ torture of people in other regions of Ukraine that they occupied.

International and national medical organizations and institutions should urgently establish services in the Kharkiv region and other de-occupied areas to support victims of torture, including psychosocial (mental health) support and specialist services for survivors of sexual violence.

“We are still learning about the scope of the crimes and other abuses committed against people in Izium during Russian occupation, but it is clear that survivors need assistance now,” Wille said. “Our findings indicate that Russian troops have committed horrific abuses in many areas they have occupied, and there is real concern about similar abuses in other areas they continue to control.”

Witnesses identified seven facilities in the city that Russian forces had allegedly used as bases and detention facilities: two schools, a police station, a former hospital compound, a water and sanitation station, a private residence, and a private factory. Researchers were able to enter four of the facilities and verify that they were indeed used as detention facilities. Those interviewed are identified by pseudonyms for their protection.

Two of the men said they were moved to various locations and did not know where they had been held. Several families heard that people were also being detained at Izium’s School No. 2, but researchers did not identify anyone who had been held there.

One former detainee showed Human Rights Watch a private home now housing Ukrainian forces, where he believes Russian forces held him for a day. He said his captors threatened him, saying: “Don’t mess with us, or Kirov special forces will show themselves.”

Later they took him to another house a long drive away, telling him it was “on the front line” and that he would disappear, before they drove him back to the city and released him. Residents of the area said that Russian forces were using the first house during the time the man said he was detained.

A building in the Verkhnie Selysche district on the left bank of the Donets River in Izium is next to the railway station, known colloquially as the “railway district.” It had stopped operating as a hospital about two years prior to Russian forces arriving in the city. Next to the main building is another building with at least three garages.

Eight men, interviewed separately, said that Russian forces had detained them and others in two garages next to the main building, which they occupied. The woman said she was held in a small room in a building opposite the garages.

Human Rights Watch visited the hospital on September 22, which was largely undamaged, and inspected the garages. The two garage rooms matched the former detainees’ descriptions, such as one with a brick wall and the other with cement walls. Before Human Rights Watch visited, Ukrainian police had searched the hospital compound.

All eight men said they had been tortured with electric shocks. In one room in the building, Human Rights Watch saw two electric outlets that were blackened, but it’s unclear whether this resulted from the abuse. According to two Ukrainian electrical engineers, sockets can blacken in this way if they overheat for example during electric shocks if the electrodes were located close to each other on the victim’s body.

Boghdan, 36, said he was a policeman, ATO veteran, and member of the Territorial Defense Forces, and that he was detained in a garage at the City Railway Polyclinic. Boghdan was held with another ATO veteran, Yevgeny, about 40, but Boghdan said that soldiers came and took Yevgeny away. Since the area was back under Ukrainian control, Boghdan said he has tried unsuccessfully to confirm whether Yevgeny had been released and if he is still alive.

Two men said that they heard women’s screams while being held in the garages. Taisa, 36, said that Russian forces detained her and her husband at their home in mid-June and took them to the City Railway Polyclinic. She said she was held alone for a day in a small room in a building opposite to the garages on the hospital compound.

At one point, a soldier came to the door and shouted that she should “prepare yourself, [another] soldier will be coming to rape you,” though it didn’t happen. She said she was taken to a room in the main building and interrogated once.

The Washington Post interviewed a woman who said she was held for 10 days in early July in what, according to detailed descriptions from both women, researchers determined to be the same room, and subjected to electric shocks and repeated rapes, including through forced oral sex. Boghdan, who was held during the same time period there, said he heard women’s screams on multiple occasions, and said he heard two soldiers standing outside of the garage door one day speaking. “Don’t give her food, she didn’t give a blow job,” he remembered one of them saying.

When inspecting the room, Human Rights Watch saw Alla, the name of the woman interviewed by The Washington Postcarved on the wall, as well the words and phrases “electricity, undressed or raped,” “barely alive,” “murdered,” “very painful,” and “help.” She told The Washington Post that she considered trying to kill herself in detention.

Those held in the garages said they were fed only once a day and given about 1.5 liters of water to share with up to 13 people held in the garage.

On the wall in one of the hospital rooms researchers found an emblem and the German words “Truth Sets You Free” written on the wall in what could have been a reference to the Nazis’ use of “Work Sets You Free” – the slogan on the gate to Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps. A former employee of the hospital told researchers that the emblem and phrase appeared on the walls after.

More with pics etc.: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/19/...zium-detainees

[WonderMomma]

Found a tweet from someone from HRW related to what Kelly posted.

(Video 1) "After 6 months of Russian occupation, residents of HRW about the unlawful detentions and torture they were subjected to.

(Photos 1-3) Survivors described being subjected to electric shock, waterboarding, severe beatings, threats at gunpoint, and being forced to hold stress positions for extended periods by Russian forces.

(Photo 4) Survivors identified at least seven locations in Izium, including two schools, where they said Russian soldiers had detained and abused them.

(Photo 5) A woman who was held & repeatedly raped carved her name and words and phrases “electricity, undressed or raped,” “barely alive,” “murdered,” “very painful,” and “help” into wall of room she was held in. She considered trying to kill herself in detention.

(No Media) HRW spoke to relatives & friends of 2 men detained by Russian forces – one for about two days in late June and another in June for a day or two and again in July for three days. Both men took their own lives by hanging a day or two after their release.
Multiple victims shared with HRW credible accounts of similar experiences of torture during interrogation in facilities under the control of Russian forces and their subordinates, indicating this treatment was part of a policy and plan.
Medical institutions should urgently establish services in de-occupied areas to support victims of torture, including psychosocial (mental health) support and specialist services for survivors of sexual violence. Those responsible for abuses should be prosecuted for war crimes."

(Video 2) "Armed men tried to mobilize a man in Donetsk but passers-by helped him get free."

[Faust]

“On the wall in one of the hospital rooms researchers found an emblem and the German words “Truth Sets You Free” written on the wall in what could have been a reference to the Nazis’ use of “Work Sets You Free” – the slogan on the gate to Auschwitz and other Nazi concentration camps. A former employee of the hospital told researchers that the emblem and phrase appeared on the walls after.”

They could have let that part out IMO

[Roosta]

Careful, you're showing us your feminine side DTZ.

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

Wish we could say that when it comes to Ukrainian prisoners/civilians.


More with pics etc.: https://www.hrw.org/news/2022/10/19/...zium-detainees

I'm sure the pro ruskies will read this & think, conspiracy n all lies like the normal rhetoric that is likely to follow.
We could add it to DTZ book, Alice in Wonderland Chapter 2 as he defiantly needs help with his Putinist story time telling !

[WonderMomma]

In Paris, two Ukrainian refugees are kicked out of a Paris restaurant that seems to favor Putin.

10 minutes later their rating on yelp went to 1.5 stars. (photo)

EDIT: Video 2 ()
"The restaurant owner from Paris, who was filmed earlier today saying “Viva Putin” while kicking out 2 Ukrainian refugee women was also visited by 2 Ukrainian men tonight.

He apologized to the Ukrainian nation and said “Putin is a douchebag”.

Quick change"

[SinisterNm]

found a whole channel of translated goodies.