[Stefan800]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I wasn't talking about US, EU only. Gas/oil is one side of the story. EU shot itself with the sanctions and than counter sanctions came in.
Here how I see it:
- While EU sold lots of goods to Russia, Russia sold to EU almost 5 times less ( during sanctions EU business was hit much harder obviously)
- Gas is one thing, but oil is as important. Gas, Diesel and jet fuel prices go up which will be followed by price increase on pretty much everything. OPEC is going to reduce oil production. No matter how Biden didn't want them to do so...probably made them even angrier with his visit
- SWIFT.. IMO EU loosing millions if not more just because Russian banks can't pay their obligations.
- Closing business in Russia = unemployment rate goes up in EU on key factories, slowing down production.
- agriculture. While EU and Ukraine were playing angels by offering UA grains to poor countries of Africa, reality is only a few if not less ships went there and not with grains but corn..everything else went to EU. If Russia will close down Odessa/Nikolaev port again, it will be nasty. Along with that Russia is a big fertilizer production state , a lot of EU countries depended on that. We could see farmers rioting in France, Italy and some other countries. What kind go harvest will be there next year is questionable..it can get very ug,ly.
- Metals. Palladium needed for the car industries, titan for aviations. Aluminum, cobalt, platinum....list is long.
- Immigrants..
- And of cause gas. Not only it matters for the temperature inside the house, but also for all kind of industries. Such as chemical, agricultural, metallurgy, mechanichal engineering .. They are all connected and interconnected.

I wouldn't look at the inflation rate so much here. Governments able to inject money into the economy, but low/mid class citizens feel the impact.

With all of the above I agree with you that economies went through some tough times since 2008 and pandemic and all and that is why I think that together with war and sanctions and everything else its crazy now.

Not sure if titans of UE economy like Germany are making good profits... Russia on another hand just by selling gas and oil will have a surplus around 300 billions this year ( yes I said this many times oh well)...and just keep in mind that Russian annual budget is aprox 600 billions? so they just made a profit 1/2 of a budget. Will EU economy and citizens come out victorious in a battle with Russian economy/propaganda/unity? IDK, but im very curious to see

EDIT: and please, dont tell me this is all Russian propaganda

Maybe you are right with a few of your points, but shall the eu just do nothing when the terror state russia attacks and invades one of our neighbours? And the economy had struggled too, if we just had done nothing, because of refugees, increasing prices, security loss. Dont forget, that Putler threadens the whole eu and uk. Finally, i tried to not hate russia, but after the missile and drone attacks and destroing the infastructure of the ukraine, i just hate them. Sad.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by Stefan800 ↗

Maybe you are right with a few of your points, but shall the eu just do nothing when the terror state russia attacks and invades one of our neighbours? And the economy had struggled too, if we just had done nothing, because of refugees, increasing prices, security loss. Dont forget, that Putler threadens the whole eu and uk. Finally, i tried to not hate russia, but after the missile and drone attacks and destroing the infastructure of the ukraine, i just hate them. Sad. I hope, lots of russians will die.

I didn’t say say wether EU made a mistake or not. I actually admire the fact that regular citizens of EU were all in to help Ua people. They did it out of pure motives. I was talking about what can happen in the future ( potentially) and explained my reasons to believe why EU can potentially face big problems. I can do the same for Russia if you like - why Russia could break apart into smaller states.

[Stefan800]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I didn’t say say wether EU made a mistake or not. I actually admire the fact that regular citizens of EU were all in to help Ua people. They did it out of pure motives. I was talking about what can happen in the future ( potentially) and explained my reasons to believe why EU can potentially face big problems. I can do the same for Russia if you like - why Russia could break apart into smaller states.

My respond to you should not sound harsh, i just wanted to give you an inside perspective as an eu citizen (and a pro-nato, not like Faust). I see it too, that we face big problems.

Btw, what do you think about the anexion of parts of ukraine with your family there? I thought the majority of people there wanted to be indipentend.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

are you trying to make a cult out of us?

I'm not even sure how to answer this. If I'm going to spend time and energy forming a cult, I will be leader...muah ah ahhh aaaahhhhh .

[WhiskeyOutpost]

The Swedish media outlet Expressen has released photos and video of the damaged Nord Stream pipeline.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...on/ar-AA136SxJ

[Faust]

Originally Posted by Stefan800 ↗

I thought the majority of people there wanted to be indipentend.

Russia didn’t want the 2014 referendum to be held at the time and didn’t recognise it until 2022 for the record. The people there wanted to be independent but after 8 years of civil war, they think they are better of with nuclear protection from russia.
Being part of Russia instead of Ukraine is probably a lesser evil to them so to speak.

[Stefan800]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

Russia didn’t want the 2014 referendum to be held at the time and didn’t recognise it until 2022 for the record. The people there wanted to be independent but after 8 years of civil war, they think they are better of with nuclear protection from russia.
Being part of Russia instead of Ukraine is probably a lesser evil to them so to speak.

I would like to hear Duntez opinion.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

The Swedish media outlet Expressen has released photos and video of the damaged Nord Stream pipeline.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...on/ar-AA136SxJ

I was wrong about the bridge, but this does not really look like something which can be restored easily. Btw part of Nord2 did not get blown up and could still be operational, not to go conspiracy on your ass but to me that means Russia could be behind it. It is very easy for the perpetrators to have blown up everything. So maybe russia did it to enforce Nord2 to be opened in the winter? Or maybe if another country did it they left part of Nord2 intact so that it would look like russia did it?

Who do you think did it btw?

[duntez]

Originally Posted by Stefan800 ↗

My respond to you should not sound harsh, i just wanted to give you an inside perspective as an eu citizen (and a pro-nato, not like Faust). I see it too, that we face big problems.

Btw, what do you think about the anexion of parts of ukraine with your family there? I thought the majority of people there wanted to be indipentend.

My family is in Krimea, so we were welcoming Russians there after what happened in Kiev. We have met them as defenders. You can find a lot of videos where people tell them thank you, kids bring them flowers etc. My family and most of Krimea people did not recognize this new terrorist so called government - Turchinov, Tyagnibok, Yacenuk. My uncle joined territorial defense as soon as we herd how ultras threatened to send train of “friendship” to us. Put us on a knifes and so on…
If you are talking about DNR and LNR. I supported them and my family did too. Because no one asked them if they want to have this government, just like us. They had all the right to stand up and tell them that. That’s when Neo Nazi battalions were formed Azov, Aydar, Dnepr1, Dnepr2, Kiev and so on. With the first executions people took weapons to protect themselves and the families. Don’t remember exactly how many but we had a lot of volunteers who went to fight UA army and Nazi batallions together with Donetsk and Lughansk guys. I look at it like this… Turchinov had to go there and negotiate or at least try… instead an army was sent. After 8 years of hate, shellings and death I’m pretty sure Donbas and Lughansk regions wanted to join Russia. While this battalions were fueled by hate and desires to punish/kill/destroy, teach a lesson, force to serve the Maidan government … regular army was told that they are going to fight invaders and terrorists. Every time I look into UA soldiers eyes I feel pain and feel sorry for them. They were suppose to be heroes but once captured and encountered with locals they were lost and realized that they were killing the same Ukrainians.
If ur talking about new regions ( Kherson, Zaporozhie). I don’t trust this referendums. In the end Even if Russia was vastly supported there before war… destruction and death around you can easily change your mind.

[Roosta]

[QUOTE=WhiskeyOutpost;7687815]I love how it motivates you to post more media

Like I said, they are proud of it !