[Faust]

“Of course there are short sighted people who want quick and easy solutions to immediate problems at the expence of the future.”

Imo letting one country be completely destroyed is the short sighted solution. Putting up these sanction is a short sighted solution as well, especially so close after covid. Allowing the USA to destroy Nordstream also is a short sighted solution.

These protests are just the start. more and more people understand what has been going on, so I think it will get worse

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Well, I have this crazy idea in my head that one of the ways war will end is with EU/NATO braking up or Russia breaking up into smaller states ( at least 3).
So I’m watching peoples reactions on both sides. For EU it’s a prices for energy and everything that comes with it including factories not being able to work fully and so on. For Russia lack of progress last several months with casualties… who will snap first kind of thing

We're already starting to see Russia snap. It's in progress. EU doesn't seem to be showing signs of this at all. Even Germany, who previously depended heavily on Russia for gas, told Putin to fuck off yesterday after the Russian proposal to deliver gas from the undamaged Nordstream line. Big predictor of things to come.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe...ne-2022-10-14/

[Roosta]

Originally Posted by scorpion9 ↗

I take you think the western solution is "easy" in your oppinion?

The west took the easy way out by commiting itself to years of war, economic downfall and personal sacrifices to stand against a dictator?

The western solution looks far into the future...years and decades from now. Ignoring the invasion would have been easy. It would have taken no effort.

This is what people should have done at the begining of the second world war, when Hitler started annexing its neighbouring territories. At the time, it were the shortsighted easy-solution'ists that caused the world war and gave the dictator what he wanted.

If the west had ignored the Russian invasion, then it would have almost certainly guaranteed another, much larger invasion in the near future.

Western reaction to Russian Dictator might have even persuaded China not to invade Taiwan...by showing that modern war is much more difficult than it seems.

Anyways, if you support your Führer, then why are you here...on the web, and not fighting in the red army?

Good words Scorpion9 BUT it's falling on deaf ears where Duntez & Faust are concerned as they are very infantile in nature & you will notice that they post a heap of crap n pictures of dead Ukraine heroes to make themselves feel better then they don't post anything for a couple of days to see what reaction they get from their latest post & turn that into something else to suit themselves as it's such a big issue for them if they don't get their agenda across always trying to get you into their mindset & never really have their true own view put forward as how can you honestly support a terrorist dictator who's trying to land grab & now that he's getting his ass kicked wants to threaten nuclear war like a spoilt little brat. Oh, a very big BOO HOO, cry baby shit & you have his little cronies like Duntez & Faust trying desperately to save face by posting verbal trash & pictures of Ukrainian heroes who died protecting their homeland from invading terrorists so you shouldn't waste your time with these two as we get you man & there will always be a minority of people who think the way they think, BUT don't let these fuckers try eat you man as that's all they do, they take pride & get pleasure from this shit & they will go so low as to put up the postings I mentioned above, to get a bit back if you will, what losses they are suffering & that's not only on the battlefield ! So don't worry like I said as it's plain & simple to see that they are proud of Putin, so much so that they will wear their Toothbrush Moustache with pride on these pages even when they can see first hand the shelling of non military targets resulting in the death of innocent civilians, Men, Women & Children & they quite clearly support that, pictorially & word wise, so my friend please be aware that there are low spices in the world like this that need to be handled with care as they are truly fucked !

[WhiskeyOutpost]

God damn Roosta, periods do exist

Just like the old quote. It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled...

[duntez]

[QUOTE=WhiskeyOutpost;7683895]Duntez immerses himself in pro Rus propaganda and those channels are looking to "win" the information war, at all costs. His reaction to even possible Russian war crimes is a big indication. Huge red flag.

Anything, absolutely anything, to make it even appear that Russia has some sort of advantage is gold. Lies are fair game, it's how they operate. It's abundantly clear that Putin has almost no friends of substance outside of Russia - I actually feel a little bad occasionally for their staunch supporters, they're looking at this disaster of a war and desperately searching for "good" things to report. Doesn't matter if it's lies, it makes them feel better. Pathetic. Russians and pro-Russians years from now will wonder how they were duped and lied to for so long and still supported this insanity. No amount of media uploaded to the interwebs can change this, I'm quite frankly shocked pro-Russians even bother anymore. It can't be hid anymore.[/QUOTEo


Idk why you would think it’s a red flag. I’m from there and for me it’s hard to accept this type of atrocities done by Russia. The same for any American who saw some fucked videos done by US army in Middle East. They are good people, this is my life experience. And if put politics aside, something tells me you and me could be a good friends in real life too if you didn’t think of me as pro-Russian terrorist from Krimea.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

[QUOTE=duntez;7683952]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Duntez immerses himself in pro Rus propaganda and those channels are looking to "win" the information war, at all costs. His reaction to even possible Russian war crimes is a big indication. Huge red flag.

Anything, absolutely anything, to make it even appear that Russia has some sort of advantage is gold. Lies are fair game, it's how they operate. It's abundantly clear that Putin has almost no friends of substance outside of Russia - I actually feel a little bad occasionally for their staunch supporters, they're looking at this disaster of a war and desperately searching for "good" things to report. Doesn't matter if it's lies, it makes them feel better. Pathetic. Russians and pro-Russians years from now will wonder how they were duped and lied to for so long and still supported this insanity. No amount of media uploaded to the interwebs can change this, I'm quite frankly shocked pro-Russians even bother anymore. It can't be hid anymore.[/QUOTEo


Idk why you would think it’s a red flag. I’m from there and for me it’s hard to accept this type of atrocities done by Russia. The same for any American who saw some fucked videos done by US army in Middle East. They are good people, this is my life experience. And if put politics aside, something tells me you and me could be a good friends in real life too if you didn’t think of me as pro-Russian terrorist from Krimea.

I don't think of you as a terrorist. But this is why extreme reluctance to accept Russian war crimes is a red flag to me: Russian troops in previous wars aren't known for their courtesy or adherence to rules of war. This is well known and evident from previous conflicts, especially Chechnya in the 90's and Syria. Yes that was the 90's and not now, but it looks like not a ton has changed. The Russian military of today has proven itself to be an undisciplined, disorganized, poorly led force for all to see since February. I'm actually shocked at the level of this. Plus, low morale. They know it's only a matter of time until they get killed or wounded just like the guys around them. Plus they don't get rotated as often as Ukrainian units, battle fatigue. That mindset is a breeding ground for war crimes. Example: Vietnam. We Americans committed many war crimes over there and why you think Russia is somehow exempt from this is pretty wild to me.

Ukrainians have committed multiple war crimes throughout this war, many of which I posted here, including the one where they just straight up executed like 4-6 captured Russians on that road and they plugged an almost dead one in the head. It's truly bizarre to me that you can't imagine Russians doing the same, it's war. It makes no sense. I blame propaganda and the lying game that Russia has perfected over the years, they're literally known for it and give any western government a run for their money in that realm.

Americans are good people too but it didn't stop our war crimes in our past. Just because the average Russian is likely a good person doesn't mean the army as a whole is going to act like angels when they've captured a Ukrainian they've been told is a Nazi Bandera subhuman piece of shit. Ukrainians are proud of their country and merely defending themselves, which in itself is a rationale for war crimes. Your ignorance of these concepts is taxing, duntez. That's why we don't get along on here mostly.

[scorpion9]

[QUOTE=duntez;7683952]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Duntez immerses himself in pro Rus propaganda and those channels are looking to "win" the information war, at all costs. His reaction to even possible Russian war crimes is a big indication. Huge red flag.

Anything, absolutely anything, to make it even appear that Russia has some sort of advantage is gold. Lies are fair game, it's how they operate. It's abundantly clear that Putin has almost no friends of substance outside of Russia - I actually feel a little bad occasionally for their staunch supporters, they're looking at this disaster of a war and desperately searching for "good" things to report. Doesn't matter if it's lies, it makes them feel better. Pathetic. Russians and pro-Russians years from now will wonder how they were duped and lied to for so long and still supported this insanity. No amount of media uploaded to the interwebs can change this, I'm quite frankly shocked pro-Russians even bother anymore. It can't be hid anymore.[/QUOTEo


Idk why you would think it’s a red flag. I’m from there and for me it’s hard to accept this type of atrocities done by Russia. The same for any American who saw some fucked videos done by US army in Middle East. They are good people, this is my life experience. And if put politics aside, something tells me you and me could be a good friends in real life too if you didn’t think of me as pro-Russian terrorist from Krimea.

"I’m from there and for me it’s hard to accept this type of atrocities done by Russia."

This is exactly what Germans said at the end of the second world war too. They refused to believe that their soldiers would commit genocide and kill civilians.

I can tell you that the way russians are "supposedly" torturing and killing civilians and POW's is exactly the same way as they actually killed civilians during the Soviet occupation. People pretend that the Soviet Occupation was thousands of years ago and it is a distant memory for Russians and its neighbours.
It isnt.
Putin was alive and operating as an agent when these tortures and "interrogations" took place. This is fresh history. My aunt who is 98 years old lived through all that. Russian generals who make decisions now...havent learned any new tricks. They are still the same people that they were during the soviet occupation.

What ukrainians describe in Ukraine...is exactly from the Russian KGB/FSB playbook.
Also, you know...for a fact...that Russian military has significant number of prisoners in its ranks and they have very little oversight. Do you really think that untrained prisoners are gona follow the Geneva convention or disdinguish between civilians and soldiers?
The amount of theft and stealing taking place in Ukraine is on a grand scale. The alcohol abuse is rampant.

Torture during interrogation is the norm...not the exception.
Like the guy who was brutally murdered(had his balls cut off and dragged behind a vehicle ) - we only know about it because the soldiers broke a number one rule in Russian army - no phones and cameras.
Imagine if most Russian soldiers had cameras?
How much more of shit like that we would see.

There are even Russian protesters who were tortured in Moscow and other Russian cities. Russian police was supposed to "look into the allegations" but im sure nothing came of it.


Refusal to believe in attrocities is what allows attrocities to happen.

[WonderMomma]

Well said you two... I'd like to add... atrocities are not a Russian thing. They are not an American thing. Nor Ukrainian, or any other ethnicity. They are a human thing. Humans commit them and that is the common factor among all of this. Every country that's ever fought in a war has committed them.

Time for a group hug.

[kellyhound]

https://www.almendron.com/tribuna/wh...it-atrocities/

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

“Of course there are short sighted people who want quick and easy solutions to immediate problems at the expence of the future.”

Imo letting one country be completely destroyed is the short sighted solution. Putting up these sanction is a short sighted solution as well, especially so close after covid. Allowing the USA to destroy Nordstream also is a short sighted solution.

These protests are just the start. more and more people understand what has been going on, so I think it will get worse

"Imo letting one country be completely destroyed is the short sighted solution."
Yes...its bad. So...why are you supporting the regime that does exactly that?
Is Ukraine destroying itself?
Is NATO bombing Ukraine?

Letting a country to be destroyed is awful, and that's why the sanctions are imposed.
Warmachines need money...and money comes from the economy. Sanction the economy and you slow down the Warmachine.
If you raise the price tag of war enough, then the Dictator will find it harder and harder to justify this expensive invasion.


"more and more people understand what has been going on"

Do you understand what's going on?

Give an explanation of what's going on in your opinion.