[duntez]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Sorry I am plucking another post out of the media thread.... I have something to say about it. Surprise, surprise!



The same can be said for the Russians shelling Kyiv, Kharkiv, Mariupol, Berdiansk, Kherson, Odesa, Sumy, Yavoriv, Bahkmut, Kramatorsk, Chasiv Yar, Izium, Snake Island, Avdiivka, Chernihiv, Ivankiv, Trostianets, Mykolaiv, Bucha, Enerhodar, Volnovakha, Melitopol, Hostomel, Okhtyrka, Konotop, Irpin, Makariv, Brovary, Slavutych, Sloviansk, Soledar, Pisky, Lysychansk, Sviatorhirsk, Lyman, Vuhledar, Siversk, Bohorodychne, Krasnopillia, Davydiv Brid, Toshkivka, Sivierodonetsk, Siverskyi Donets, etc. etc. etc.

Except Ukraine is defending their country from hostile occupation and loss of territory.

Russia used the Russians/pro-Russians living in Ukraine in various areas to wage a war with the whole country for resources. I think you have even acknowledged to me that you agree Russia does not care about them.

Why is it more shocking to you that Ukraine is shelling than it is for Russia to be coming into another country and indiscriminately shelling all over the country?

Is Ukraine supposed to ignore potential targets near civilian areas where the people fighting them are hiding? Russia sure as hell doesn't ignore them. Especially after Amnesty International gave them an excuse to do even more of it.

I just don't get the double standard, if you want to call it that. Why is it ok for Russia to do it in another country but it's wrong for Ukraine to do it in their own defensively?

And are these 50k Ukrainians you speak of ethnic Russians who were born in Ukraine? Or are they Ukrainian born Ukrainians who you claim are willfully fighting for Russia? Do you have sources of this information? Or is this word of mouth on Telegram?

Those are two very different "Ukrainians". But regardless, if they are fighting along side Russia, they too, are valid targets.

Please and thank you.

I never acknowledge that Russia dosnt care about people. I could say that about Ukr

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

People here would probably cheer if she died and it was shared on telegram as “Ukrainian forces eliminate traitor collaborators ”
Probably try and say something funny about her dress even

Anyway I hope your family is safe and the conflict ends soon. It is nice that she wants to stay at home and I can understand that, but for your family you want security. Godspeed

See... this is another thing you do constantly. Put words in peoples mouths.

What an absolute horrible thing to say. I would absolutely never, ever celebrate the death of anyone's mother. Have you seen me say one thing about the deaths of any Russian soldiers even? No. Have you seen me celebrate their deaths anywhere in these threads? No, you have not. Frankly it pisses me off when people celebrate the death of any soldier in general.

I can't count how many times I've stopped myself from posting something about how hard it is to see any dead soldiers picture. Russian or otherwise. I am constantly wondering if he had a mother at home who will never see him, a dog waiting on him to return, or children. I wonder what he was doing a year ago and if he was happy.

Its also difficult for me to see anyone calling them pigs, rats, etc. or celebrating their deaths. Both sides. But you are all grown ups and I'm not your mother. So I keep it to myself. The truth is, this is ALL fucked up. Men, women, kids, soldiers, Russia, Ukraine, Donbas, Crimea. I have always been a little "extra" empathetic and that is my fucking curse yet my greatest strength.

Did you know I spent the first three months of the war coming here and plucking photos of dead soldiers on both sides and saving them on my computer? I have an associate that was involved in helping acquire any and all information about any dead soldiers in order to get them identified and their mothers notified. Russian, DPR, LPR, and Ukrainian.

Your hate consumes you to the point of blindness and there are no ifs, ands, buts, what ifs, or whatabouts about that. It's going to end up either eating you up from the inside or make you do something incredibly stupid.

Please stop thinking you know me because I'm American.

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

The problem of Ukraine is that if was built by connecting eastern lands with Austrian-Hungarian lands. That’s right there 2 different mentalities. Just like here you ( west) will probably never understand my point, just like I will never yours seems like. It was ALWAYS west Ukraine vs South/East starting from presidential elections and ending with the kitchen talks.
My mom is 100% Ukrainian and she hates this state ( government) since 2014. In fact she blames this Ukr government and the West for this war. There are Ukrainians and there are Russians born in UA 1st.2,3… 25th gen or w/e. Just like there are Hungarian, Polaks, Czecks etc born in Ukraine in the west. Ukrainian government was screaming on western TV that they are our people and we will take care of them, well they did. When Crimea separated first thing they did - cut of power and most importantly water supply for the whole Crimea peninsula. While still talking on TV that people of Krimea are our people and we will never forget about them and all kind of other BS and lies. When Ichkeria became somewhat independent Russia still was making payments towards the most Vulnerable classes of society. The reason why I’m posting shelling of Donetsk is just to show you ( even tho I already see you don’t understand) that That state can kill civilians for no reason… whell there is one - Hate. No army object near, just a simple “good morning high
fives” that’s it. No city fights.

And BTW, Donbas is fighting for his lands too. Donbas in 2014 was standing for a different Ukraine and not for Russia.
Wait what? “Valid target? What about kids?? I assume I don’t need to ask what about women and elders after this statement

And just out of curioucity, how many generations should pass for you to become an American? So if there is a civil war, people would treat you as American and not Irish for instance? Meaning if shit hits a fan ur allowed to speak up and your opinion matters?

I keep coming back to you msg to see if I forgot something and sure thing I did No double standards for me, I said since day one I’m against this war and I hate what they are doing, quote me where I said otherwise. But seems like is a double standard for ProMaidan Ukraine people here… because while everyone is going nuts about Rus shellings, no one gives a shit about civillians in Donetsk since 2014 and now. There are no army targets.. markets, civil parks, residential houses and so on. Western TV will show a destroyed house be RF from every corner, but fail to do so when kids are killed in Donbas or even worse like one French TV said in one video DNR terrorists shelled Donetsk 3 dead… or there was a picture that was taking by DNR guys of an old man crying over the body of his wife… western press came out with this picture and said something like ( Russia strike Donetsk again”…the fuck Jesus.

Ok, I give up. This is full of double standards and we have hit a wall. I know when to say when.

No hard feelings at all and you still won't see me celebrating the deaths of anyone in these threads, throwing out generalizations and putting people in a box according to their locations/backgrounds.

I really did make an effort to understand your perspectives and you're right. I do not understand it. But I guess it's not meant for me to understand and my efforts were all for not.

I do hope you're mother and family stay safe and that all of this is over very soon they can all get on with life... and so can we.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

Ok, I give up. This is full of double standards and we have hit a wall. I know when to say when.

No hard feelings at all and you still won't see me celebrating the deaths of anyone in these threads, throwing out generalizations and putting people in a box according to their locations/backgrounds.

I really did make an effort to understand your perspectives and you're right. I do not understand it. But I guess it's not meant for me to understand and my efforts were all for not.

I do hope you're mother and family stay safe and that all of this is over very soon they can all get on with life... and so can we.

I’m not celebrating Ukr servicemen death. In fact there were several times when I was heroizing them. I’m just posting media of another side… this is a DR after all and not a Ukrainian website.

Thank you and I agree.

[Rfneimad]

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Monday, September 12th, 2022
3:46 p.m.
The current
Armed Forces of Ukraine, just don’t laugh, successfully crossed the Seversky Donets near Belogorovka, flanking the positions of the 2nd Army Corps of the NM of the LPR, facing the Seversk-Artemovsk highway and to the rear of the allied forces of the Kuban Cossacks and Lugansk reservists, still heroically defending the forester’s hut near Krasny Liman . At night, judging by the sounds, after a long break in Kherson and Slobozhanshchina, "Haymarsy" were working again in the Luhansk region.

The ingenious, impeccably planned by the General Staff of the RF Armed Forces, the operation to lure the Armed Forces of Ukraine into the territory of the LPR is entering its exciting endgame.

Working environment, stressful.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WonderMomma ↗

See... this is another thing you do constantly. Put words in peoples mouths.

What an absolute horrible thing to say. I would absolutely never, ever celebrate the death of anyone's mother. Have you seen me say one thing about the deaths of any Russian soldiers even? No. Have you seen me celebrate their deaths anywhere in these threads? No, you have not. Frankly it pisses me off when people celebrate the death of any soldier in general.

I can't count how many times I've stopped myself from posting something about how hard it is to see any dead soldiers picture. Russian or otherwise. I am constantly wondering if he had a mother at home who will never see him, a dog waiting on him to return, or children. I wonder what he was doing a year ago and if he was happy.

Its also difficult for me to see anyone calling them pigs, rats, etc. or celebrating their deaths. Both sides. But you are all grown ups and I'm not your mother. So I keep it to myself. The truth is, this is ALL fucked up. Men, women, kids, soldiers, Russia, Ukraine, Donbas, Crimea. I have always been a little "extra" empathetic and that is my fucking curse yet my greatest strength.

Did you know I spent the first three months of the war coming here and plucking photos of dead soldiers on both sides and saving them on my computer? I have an associate that was involved in helping acquire any and all information about any dead soldiers in order to get them identified and their mothers notified. Russian, DPR, LPR, and Ukrainian.

Your hate consumes you to the point of blindness and there are no ifs, ands, buts, what ifs, or whatabouts about that. It's going to end up either eating you up from the inside or make you do something incredibly stupid.

Please stop thinking you know me because I'm American.

I don’t think he meant you personally. Rather some active members who has an orgasm every time they see dead Rus or LDNR soldiers.

[Rfneimad]

[WonderMomma]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I’m not celebrating Ukr servicemen death. In fact there were several times when I was heroizing them. I’m just posting media of another side… this is a DR after all and not a Ukrainian website.

I wasn't trying to imply you had... simply trying to convey my crippling empathy for humans in general.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by DoktorDoris ↗

i am interested why Ukraine isn't making more of an effort to fight back? why aren't Ukrainian special forces leaving backpack bombs on Russian trains? car bombs on Russian streets? or get the world to post mail bombs to random address in moscow? (i have a great design for a postal firebomb using model rocket motors and a Pi Pico with mobile data and GPS so I could activate it in a Russian mail depot)

The fuck?

[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

The fuck?

Nothing phases me more on here. Putin could start posting and I would just roll with it.