[Siragic]

Delete this fucking comment I should be able to do it myself wtf is this shit. Made three comments by accident.

[Siragic]

Delete this fucking comment I should be able to do it myself wtf is this shit. Made three comments by accident.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Anyone who studies history knows that body count is secondary to war objectives. Point in case: Vietnam. We got our asses handed to us. Another point? Russia in Afghanistan. They lost, clearly. And even the pro Ukrainian estimates of UKR dead are far higher than 3k not sure where you're getting that. What's important is removing the ability of your enemy completing their war objectives. Not sure where you're going with this, did you miss that lesson in history class

I wasn’t going anywhere with this. Just trying to understand. Objectives are important and you don’t have to take history class to understand that But at the same time when we talk here about how Soviets completed their objectives during WW2 in a timely manner, all of a sudden some people here would start talking about casualties .. w/e
About UA losses. Idk where are you getting your information but Zelle said it himself today that UA army lost around 2500-3000 dead.

[photo2uj]

Way to many russian propaganda posters in this forum just trying to make shit up. At the end of this war, Russia will be another North Korea. Fukkkkk russia.

[Faust]

“Everything that does not align with my personal view (based on biased sources) is propaganda!!! Fuck Putin or Biden or Zelensky!! I KNOW my CNN/BBC/Russia Today is correct and truth”

But seriously; they should execute those Azov officers. They have cost the west hundreds of millions of dollars in training and equipment

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

I wasn’t going anywhere with this. Just trying to understand. Objectives are important and you don’t have to take history class to understand that But at the same time when we talk here about how Soviets completed their objectives during WW2 in a timely manner, all of a sudden some people here would start talking about casualties .. w/e
About UA losses. Idk where are you getting your information but Zelle said it himself today that UA army lost around 2500-3000 dead.

I didn't first mention casualties in this discussion. A certain individual did. I guarantee you Ukraine has lost far more than than 3k military casualties - possibly even more than Russia - but that matters little for reasons already mentioned. War objectives, the person here who attempted to make body count a winning condition here clearly doesn't understand this. Not surprised, he probably hasn't risked a damn thing in his life. If body count mattered the US would have won Vietnam, but we didn't. We had no business there anyway.

Russia tried to take the whole pie right off the start and they miserably failed. They cut their losses, called it "objective complete" to save face (lol) and ran to the area that already has good Russian support - Donbas (Donyetsk and Lughansk). How convenient considering it's been Russian controlled since ~ 2015. Considering their embarrassing loss I don't really blame them.

Now this is going to drag out until Russia decides they've had enough, and once conventional engagements end they'll exit Ukraine due to a protracted insurgency war made worse by domestic disapproval. Which how things ended for them in Afghanistan in 1987-89.

Might I add that Russia's main factories that produce armored vehicles have ceased production (Uralvagonzavod and others), obviously because of lack of material due to economic sanctions. Look it up.

Look at the past with previous wars, and you can see some writing on the wall. Their heads might be Russian, but their hearts are still very much Soviet. No wonder my mother's family left that shit hole.

[Faust]

Russias special military operation can be seen as a tsunami;
It goes land inwards, destroying everything it can in its wake, all nazis and military equipement possible (while minimising civilian casualties).

The destruction of Kiev is not the endgame, so at that point the wave of destruction is flowing back, to concentrate on the annexation of Mariupol, Donbas, Donetsk and Crimea by destroying every non surrendering Ukrainian combatant, nazi or otherwise, and all weapon factories and NATO provided bombs or equipement until Ukraine surrenders or there is nothing left.

“Bu-bu-but they wanted to occupy Ukraine!! Russia lost, Russia lost!!!”

Yeah sorry man

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by dabruster ↗

For this reason, I have a hard time caring if Ukraine gets bombed to shit. That country is just packed full of Nazis. Should have been shot right there and then, then buried right next to the kids they murdered.

April 2015.

The conflict on the ground in eastern Ukraine may have quieted down over the past few weeks, but the information war in the region is still raging.

A BBC team reported that a recent Russian media story about the death of a child killed in shelling was, in fact, a fabrication.

In a short news documentary, a BBC reporter tried to hunt down the family of a 10-year-old girl who Russian news reports had claimed was killed by artillery shells fired by Ukrainian forces in Donetsk in March.

But locals she interviewed had not heard of the event, could not help identify the girl's family and had not even heard the shelling that was supposed to have killed the girl. The local morgue had never handled her body. Officials either claimed to know nothing or refused to help the reporter track down the family.

Eventually, a member of another television film crew — ostensibly from Russian media (their faces were blurred) — tells the BBC reporter that the girl “doesn’t exist” and, hence, didn’t die. When the reporter asks why the story was aired, one man answers: “We had to broadcast it.”

Many Russian outlets had carried the story in late March, citing information from leaders of the separatists’ self-proclaimed Donetsk People’s Republic.

The episode is reminiscent of an incident last summer in which a state-run Russian television station broadcast a story alleging that the Ukrainian military had tortured and then crucified a 3-year-old in the eastern city of Slovyansk. No one could turn up any evidence of such an event, however, and it is widely accepted as a fabrication.

Television is a prime vehicle for getting news in Russia and Ukraine, and each side accuses the other’s media outlets of broadcasting more propaganda than news.

National Ukrainian television channels were turned off in most areas of rebel-controlled eastern Ukraine last year. Kiev has blocked the broadcast of various Russian state television channels.

[Faust]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

April 2015.

Really impressive that not a single child died, quality reporting by BBC lol

Who is more trustworthy, BBC or UN?

https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default...21%29%20EN.pdf

[duntez]

Originally Posted by kellyhound ↗

April 2015.

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