[WhiskeyOutpost]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

Again, I’m saying that closing supply line to Russian enclave Kaliningrad with hundreds thousands of its citizens will only escalate. Migs, arta w/e west sending is absolutely differ from isolation Kaliningrad Region. This is whole new level of escalation. I don’t understand how you don’t see it? And talking about WHATABOUTISM?

What I'm saying is four months ago if Putin did not start this war, it wouldn't exist to be escalated at all. Doesn't seem like whataboutism to me, direct cause and effect

[Faust]

If five months ago Zelensky signed that he would not join nato nor have nukes, everybody would still be alive. Low gas price, less inflation, less refugees.

That little bitch has the most expensive autograph ever known to men probably

Doesn't seem like whataboutism to me, direct cause and effect

[duntez]

Originally Posted by Faust ↗

If five months ago Zelensky signed that he would not join nato nor have nukes, everybody would still be alive. Low gas price, less inflation, less refugees.

That little bitch has the most expensive autograph ever known to men probably

Doesn't seem like whataboutism to me, direct cause and effect

- Even earlier! If Zelenskiy kept he’s words when he was running for President l, Donbas would be part of Ukraine and war would be only between two kids teams on the street who’s running around with stick that somewhat looked like a gun lol
- Of even earlier if west countries who were guarantors of agreement between legitimate president Yanukovich and opposition in 2014 kept their word when after Yanukovich left Kyev and told opposition leaders to STOP and pull their guys away from the presidential buildings and parliament, to wait till legitimate re-election then everything would be fine. But NO they kept the silence and most likely sucked a dick of US president and licked vagina of Vice President of US

[Rfneimad]

If, if, if goes on back to the first single celled bully eating his neighbour. My phone is autocorrecting British, terribly sorry. We can’t solve this by doing this who started it anymore, what would it take to stop it now?

[Daujotis]

Originally Posted by duntez ↗

- Even earlier! If Zelenskiy kept he’s words when he was running for President l, Donbas would be part of Ukraine and war would be only between two kids teams on the street who’s running around with stick that somewhat looked like a gun lol
- Of even earlier if west countries who were guarantors of agreement between legitimate president Yanukovich and opposition in 2014 kept their word when after Yanukovich left Kyev and told opposition leaders to STOP and pull their guys away from the presidential buildings and parliament, to wait till legitimate re-election then everything would be fine. But NO they kept the silence and most likely sucked a dick of US president and licked vagina of Vice President of US

I don’t trust Ukrainians in general, during WWII they collaborated with nazis, killed around 2 million Jews - not a single case reached trial, 2014 Odessa massacre, when they burned people alive - not a single case went to trial, they’re most corrupt country in Europe, they hide their own crimes, cover them, and bark at others, look at what’s going on now, 4 months into the war they have multiple cases of war crimes committed by Russia - that was fast, wasn’t it? But not a single case of war crimes by Ukrainians, hell we saw plenty on DR, torturing POWs, stabbing them to death, yet not a single case, they’re fascists, no doubt in my mind.

[Rfneimad]

There’s nothing wrong with fascism until you actually get to the death chamber stage. And again, old Ukrainians actually did drive out my family and then kill my cousins, before, during and after WWII and I hold no grudge against their children. Despite them killing so many of the family I am like the only one who even knows the family story anymore.

[Daujotis]

Originally Posted by Rfneimad ↗

There’s nothing wrong with fascism until you actually get to the death chamber stage. And again, old Ukrainians actually did drive out my family and then kill my cousins, before, during and after WWII and I hold no grudge against their children. Despite them killing so many of the family I am like the only one who even knows the family story anymore.

Point is they never went on trial, not for WWII crimes, not for 2014 massacre, not now or ever. So we really want to support such state or allow them to join Europe, they very literally murder people and gets away with it.

[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by Daujotis ↗

Point is they never went on trial, not for WWII crimes, not for 2014 massacre, not now or ever. So we really want to support such state or allow them to join Europe, they very literally murder people and gets away with it.

Point is they are dead and we need to move on, everywhere has shitty people. I want to nuke California every time I drive on the freeway. Most people are good and no country deserves war unless they leave their country and need to be stopped. Yes that includes the US if they misbehave. Nations are not the eternal unchanging entities certain people seem to think they are.

[Stefan800]

Daujotis, what was the Odessa massacre 2014? Never heard of that. For the war crimes, in our state tv in germany, we heard from ukrainian war crimes. It is just that the russian soldiers are more active doing that. But if you can show me more pics or vids then the few on dr, i am open minded.

[Daujotis]

Originally Posted by Stefan800 ↗

Daujotis, what was the Odessa massacre 2014? Never heard of that. For the war crimes, in our state tv in germany, we heard from ukrainian war crimes. It is just that the russian soldiers are more active doing that. But if you can show me more pics or vids then the few on dr, i am open minded.

Odessa massacre happened in 2014, in Odessa when anti-maidan activists had clashes with pro-maidan activists, anti-maidan activist were outnumbered and had to run, they ran and barricaded themselves in union building and then ukro nazis torched building with molotovs, woman, children all burned inside and those who were brave enough to jump out of the burning building was shot or clubbed to death, there was plenty of video footage on liveleak, but that website no longer exists.