[WhiskeyOutpost]

"Slovakia has presented its plan of transferring its 12 MiG-29 fighter jets to the Ukrainian Air Force.

Business Insider reports that the planes will be delivered after Poland and Czechia agree to protect Slovak air space until the country receives its F-16s from USA."

https://twitter.com/visegrad24

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Because it will hurt Russia's war effort.

As for stolen grain, why provoke the world and use hunger as a bargaining tool? Sick shit and you know it

Dosnt make sense at all. Hurt Russia at what cost?

Now how many million tons of grain consumed in the world ? And how many has Ukraine now?

[Faust]

The US economy and most European economies are down more than the Russian economy. So who is paying for the war exactly?

[WhiskeyOutpost]

Are you seriously defending what Russia is doing by stealing food and using it for political leverage?

I'll flip it around. Hurt Ukraine. Start a war. At what cost?

This insanity started with Russia not the other way around. I would like to remind you this is the most destructive conflict in or even near Europe since WW2.

[Daujotis]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Nope daujotis, not having it. You should know better to perform mental gymnastics. Yes NATO has expanded and Russia is losing key territory in the grand scheme, largely because they are backwards, were hamstrung by losing the cold war and are generally incompatible with the the modern world. This is a common thing with Russia/Soviet Union.

I'm not saying "the west" is so much morally better (they're not) but Russia really takes the whole morally bankrupt approach and really rolls with it at all times. They have information locked down tighter than any western nation, this is what dictatorships do. This is not helping them and their whole "return to glory" endeavor.

Russia miscalculated, are making a mistake and they're reaping the consequences, as they should. And unfortunately everyday Russians are paying for it.

It’s okay, we have different opinions, maybe I shouldn’t have started by calling you delusional, but look at this from my point of view - NATO was basically doing same thing as soviets tried in Cuba - deploying missiles and military bases near US, if Russia didn’t stepped in now Ukraine would join NATO and have missiles and military bases 1000 kilometers away from Moscow- that’s a threat to national security.

US rolled in with their Navi
RU rolled in with tanks

Situation is almost identical, as I wrote before, this was was inevitable, but in my opinion nato tried to corner Russia and they responded.


What goes for grain - it’s war, there are no rules, I think they will try to make famine in Africa which will lead to mass migration to Europe and that will create security issues for Europe, Russia will prolong this war until winter comes, and Europe will be left without gas for heating. Keep in mind nato members in Europe is sending their military equipment to Ukraine and will stop doing so at some point, when they realize they have to leave something for themselves. Yet again it’s only my opinion.

[Rfneimad]

But NATO hurt our feelings by basing their actions on our past actions. I think the rate of alcohol consumption is playing a factor here too, one side is a little more rational.

[WhiskeyOutpost]

"nato tried to corner Russia and they responded."

I'm sure in their extreme paranoid minds they believe that.

We freaked out when the Russians put nukes in Cuba. But we didn't invade Cuba en masse and shell their cities indiscriminately killing civilians because we felt "threatened". And we don't even have nukes in Ukraine, that didn't happen. And the whole nukes/bio weapons labs in Ukraine manure is almost as ridiculous as the WMD's claim that the Bush administration made when invading Iraq.

I say almost as ridiculous because Saddam did use chemical/nerve agents on the Kurds in the 80's. But that's another can of worms...

[Daujotis]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

"nato tried to corner Russia and they responded."

I'm sure in their extreme paranoid minds they believe that.

We freaked out when the Russians put nukes in Cuba. But we didn't invade Cuba en masse and shell their cities indiscriminately killing civilians because we felt "threatened". And we don't even have nukes in Ukraine, that didn't happen. And the whole nukes/bio weapons labs in Ukraine manure is almost as ridiculous as the WMD's claim that the Bush administration made when invading Iraq.

I say almost as ridiculous because Saddam did use chemical/nerve agents on the Kurds in the 80's. But that's another can of worms...

US didn’t invaded Cuba because Khrushchev came to agreement with US, soviets pulled out nukes, US promised not to invade - that was the deal.

NATO can try similar route, written agreement that Ukraine will not become part of nato and I am sure Russians would pull back, but let’s be realistic - it’s not what nato wants ;-) we both know that.

What goes for civilians - in every war known to men most victims were civilians, it’s just what war is.

[Rfneimad]

Originally Posted by Daujotis ↗

US didn’t invaded Cuba because Khrushchev came to agreement with US, soviets pulled out nukes, US promised not to invade - that was the deal.

NATO can try similar route, written agreement that Ukraine will not become part of nato and I am sure Russians would pull back, but let’s be realistic - it’s not what nato wants ;-) we both know that.

What goes for civilians - in every war known to men most victims were civilians, it’s just what war is.

Civilians are the problem, cant have armies without them.

[duntez]

Originally Posted by WhiskeyOutpost ↗

Are you seriously defending what Russia is doing by stealing food and using it for political leverage?

I'll flip it around. Hurt Ukraine. Start a war. At what cost?

This insanity started with Russia not the other way around. I would like to remind you this is the most destructive conflict in or even near Europe since WW2.

Again, I’m saying that closing supply line to Russian enclave Kaliningrad with hundreds thousands of its citizens will only escalate. Migs, arta w/e west sending is absolutely differ from isolation Kaliningrad Region. This is whole new level of escalation. I don’t understand how you don’t see it? And talking about WHATABOUTISM?