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Igor Girkin, former Russian Army guy and FSB officer who played a key part in Russia's annexation of Crimea, gives a surprising chilly warning to what this may become. More and more Ukranian Telegrams are posting this.

"If that change doesn't happen, Putin will end up at best like Milosevic, at worst like Gaddafi."

Shitty translation here and there but some parts seemed to come out okay. Duntez for clarification
Actually all he says was a big complaint why people who dosnt support Russia or worse absolutely against it don’t get FSB attention and freely walking around the country. To be honest this video dosnt support your narrative of freedom of speech in Russia.
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I saw the movie as a teenager in the 90's, still one of my fav cult classics. Book was far better
I think we r the same age more o r less. I remember when I first saw this movie I started to respect spiders and bugs more
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I think we r the same age more o r less. I remember when I first saw this movie I started to respect spiders and bugs more
More than Ukrainian sovereignty?
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Re: Russia/Ukraine War Discussion/thoughts Thread

Igor Girkin, former Russian Army guy and FSB officer who played a key part in Russia's annexation of Crimea, gives a surprising chilly warning to what this may become. More and more Ukranian Telegrams are posting this.

"If that change doesn't happen, Putin will end up at best like Milosevic, at worst like Gaddafi."

Shitty translation here and there but some parts seemed to come out okay. Duntez for clarification

The same interview where he’s talking about 2 Brits and 1 Moroccan facing death penalty. He says they must be executed! They came here on safari to kill Russian people and must pay for that in a way so others would think twice before coming here. Execute this 3 and safe hundred of our soldiers from those bastards who’s thinking to come over here.
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More than Ukrainian sovereignty?
Deff I was like 12. Didn’t give a fuck about it
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Actually all he says was a big complaint why people who dosnt support Russia or worse absolutely against it don’t get FSB attention and freely walking around the country. To be honest this video dosnt support your narrative of freedom of speech in Russia.
Wasn't referring to the lack of freedom of speech which no one challenges these days, I'm surprised that's the hill you choose to die on among the many other things. Russia's dealing with a lot of dissent, they don't have the manpower to deal with all of it. People are feeling more galvanized perhaps?

I was most struck by the comparison of Putin even possibly seeing the same fate as Milosevic and Gaddafi, by a high profile former FSB Russian man with a Telegram channel, which Russia can't control.
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Wasn't referring to the lack of freedom of speech which no one challenges these days, I'm surprised that's the hill you choose to die on among the many other things. Russia's dealing with a lot of dissent, they don't have the manpower to deal with all of it. People are feeling more galvanized perhaps?

I was most struck by the comparison of Putin even possibly seeing the same fate as Milosevic and Gaddafi, by a high profile former FSB Russian man with a Telegram channel, which Russia can't control.
He was talking about Urgant who is very popular on Russian TV with millions of subscribers. I’m sure FSB have enough people for influencers like him. By Milksevic and Gaddadi he meant Putin will follow their steps if he will not take control of people who has powerful influence and let them trash talk about Russia and push antiRussian propaganda into Russian media sphere.
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In the media the US is claiming that Russia has now lost because they wanted to restore the soviet empire and they only took eastern Ukraine or some shit. Exactly what I predicted!

Does that mean that Zelensky gets to sign the no NATO-documents and abstains Ukraine from ever owning nuclear weapons and hosting outside forces?

I believe that will take until august, but it will happen this year anyway. I think Russia will make eastern Ukraine some kind of DMZ as a buffer that is. And that’s that. All in all I see why Russian soldiers fought and sacrificed their lives. I don’t agree with the killing of people, especially civilians but if diplomacy fails, western history has taught us war is the only way. Wether you want oil, or security of your people for the coming generation, leaders make that decision. Soldiers will follow that.

Same way if a leaders says: “you will not leave this country, you will die in it because it is for the best that we follow orders from outside parties” It would take months before soldiers will lay down their arms, same in this conflict

I can say my viewpoint is in line with the very best academics on this subject. That still means the world is a mess, and needs cleaning up but that is for the future
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You know this fake website got debunked like 3 months ago right?

Holy shit what are putting up that pipe and smoking?
Hello there, would you kindly mind providing sources of said debunking of the validity of that site? I'm sure you understand that one cannot simply go by the word of a stranger on the internet.

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USA is now saying they can form another military block with Ukraine… that means that they accept the non-nato status of Ukraine? Anyway by august the war will be over
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