[Vincentsdream]

The US government as it is now is practically a theocracy. Pete Hegseth has said only God determines who dies in war. Our leaders now believe talking fairies are guiding them. Lmao. The hypocrisy is rich.


But i see your belief in the situation. Iran shouldn't have nukes. Thats why we crippled it in June. There is no evidence or was even remotely close being an imminent danger which is required. You criticize personal opinions, but all you provided was personal opinion..."I've been monitoring it closely" ect. Lol

Id love to see actual sources proving your statements. Care to provide? Let me guess you won't bother cause my mind cant be change. What a self fulfilling prophecy.

If this is true.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/releases/...are-fake-news/

Then we had NO reason to go to war or even strike Iran again. So did we lie in June?

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

Then we had NO reason to go to war or even strike Iran again. So did we lie in June?

The DIA provided assessments that Iran had moved enriched uranium and centrifuge parts out of known sites prior to major strikes.

Additionally, the CIA and other U.S. agencies tracked the movement of cargo trucks at facilities like Fordow and Isfahan just before military operations began.

Mossad and the IDF reportedly utilized human intelligence, Humanint, and operatives on the ground to confirm that sensitive materials were being relocated to sites like Pickaxe Mountain near Natanz and the Isfahan tunnel complex.

Israeli officials explicitly warned that these new bunkers were being built deep enough to be immune to any assault, even bunker busters.

The IAEA issued confidential reports to its member states in February 2026. These reports noted regular vehicular activity and the use of soil and concrete to block tunnel entrances at the Esfahan Nuclear Technology Center, indicating an effort to secure material underground.

Some reports from late 2025 and early 2026 cited European sources regarding Iran's procurement of chemical precursors for missile propellants and efforts to rebuild damaged research sites so these combined reports fueled the assessment that the June 2025 strikes had only provided a temporary setback.

By February 2026, the U.S. and Israel claimed Iran was weeks away from breakout capacity, having enough 90% enriched uranium for a warhead, rendering the 2025 setbacks temporary.

In the weeks leading up to the current war Iran began harassing tankers and conducting drills that slowed traffic in the street of Hormuz.

On June 14, 2025, Centcom released declassified satellite imagery and drone footage showing IRGC Navy personnel loading Limpet mines and large spherical naval mines onto fast-attack craft and converted civilian dhows in the port of Bandar Abbas.

The Pentagon presented to Congress on June 16, 2025, that Iran had deployed at least 300 naval mines near the eastern approach to the Strait of Hormuz.

After the 2025 attacks, Iran ramped up its regional proxy activity, Hezbollah and Houthi strikes.

Those are the reasons. Think they hoped that by providing weapons to the Kurds that would speed up a regime change but Kurdish groups refused to launch a high-risk ground invasion into Iran as requested by the U.S. and Israel.

Kurdish leaders stated they were already facing hundreds of Iranian drone and missile strikes on their bases in Iraq and needed their existing resources to survive, rather than funneling arms into a massacre of untrained protesters.

They were hesitant to commit to a ground offensive without ironclad U.S. air cover and political guarantees that they would not be abandoned once the war ended.

Kurdish organizations denied receiving any weapons as the Iranian border was heavily militarized and effectively closed.

[Vincentsdream]

Thank you Kellyhound for providing details and correcting me. So are you stating the nuclear program was imminent to completion, or imminent to restarting/gaining ground?

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

So are you stating the nuclear program was imminent to completion, or imminent to restarting/gaining ground?

Dunno as i'm not in the intelligence business but Hegseth said:

Last June, Operation Midnight Hammer obliterated their nuclear program to rubble. Afterward, we told them plainly, "That's it. Now make a deal."

They arrogantly refused. We said, "Rebuild it and we'll stop you again, this time, far worse." Well, President Trump, Secretary Rubio, Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner, they bent over
backwards for real diplomacy, offering pathway after pathway to peace. I watched it. I was there.

They tried over and over and over again, earnest attempts at peace. The former regime had every chance to make a peaceful and sensible deal.

But Tehran was not negotiating; they were stalling, buying time to reload their missile stockpiles and restart their nuclear ambitions. Their goal: Hold us hostage, threatening to strike our forces.

[Vincentsdream]

Posted link so spycosis can read without fear of whitehouse.gov

The world is far safer after President Donald J. Trump’s highly successful, decisive precision strikes against the Iranian regime’s key nuclear facilities.

Take it from those who actually know:

President Trump: “Monumental Damage was done to all Nuclear sites in Iran, as shown by satellite images. Obliteration is an accurate term! The white structure shown is deeply imbedded into the rock, with even its roof well below ground level, and completely shielded from flame. The biggest damage took place far below ground level. Bullseye!!!”

Israel Atomic Energy Commission: “The devastating US strike on Fordo destroyed the site’s critical infrastructure and rendered the enrichment facility inoperable. We assess that the American strikes on Iran’s nuclear facilities, combined with Israeli strikes on other elements of Iran’s military nuclear program, has set back Iran’s ability to develop nuclear weapons by many years. The achievement can continue indefinitely if Iran does not get access to nuclear material.”

IDF Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Eyal Zamir: “I can say here that the assessment is that we significantly damaged the nuclear program, and I can also say that we set it back by years, I repeat, years.”

Iran Foreign Ministry spokesman Esmail Baghaei: “Our nuclear installations have been badly damaged, that’s for sure.”

Vice President JD Vance: “I can say to the American people with great confidence that they are much further away from a nuclear program today than they were 24 hours ago. That was the objective of the mission, to destroy that Fordow nuclear site, and of course, do some damage to the other sites as well, but we feel very confident that the Fordow nuclear site was substantially set back, and that was our goal.”

Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth: “Based on everything we have seen — and I’ve seen it all — our bombing campaign obliterated Iran’s ability to create nuclear weapons. Our massive bombs hit exactly the right spot at each target and worked perfectly. The impact of those bombs is buried under a mountain of rubble in Iran; so anyone who says the bombs were not devastating is just trying to undermine the President and the successful mission.”

Secretary Hegseth: “Given the 30,000 pounds of explosions and the capability of those munitions, it was DEVASTATION underneath Fordow … Any assessment that tells you otherwise is speculating with other motives.”

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Dan “Razin” Caine: “Initial battle damage assessments indicate that all three sites sustained extremely severe damage and destruction. More than 125 US aircraft participated in this mission, including B2 stealth bombers, multiple flights of fourth and fifth generation fighters, dozens and dozens of air refueling tankers, a guided missile submarine, and a full array of intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance aircraft, as well as hundreds of maintenance and operational professionals.”

Secretary of State Marco Rubio: “The Iranian program — the nuclear program — today looks nothing like it did just a week ago … That story is a false story and it’s one that really shouldn’t be re-reported because it doesn’t accurately reflect what’s happening.”

Secretary Rubio: “Everything underneath that mountain is in bad shape … There’s no way Iran comes to the table if somehow nothing had happened. This was complete and total obliteration. They are in bad shape. They are way behind today compared to where they were just seven days ago because of what President Trump did.”

Special Envoy Steve Witkoff: “We put 12 bunker buster bombs on Fordow. There’s no doubt that it breached the canopy, there’s no doubt that it was well within reach of the depth that these bunker buster bombs go to, and there’s no doubt that it was obliterated — so the reporting out there that in some way suggests that we did not achieve the objective is just completely preposterous.”

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard: “The operation was a resounding success. Our missiles were delivered precisely and accurately, obliterating key Iranian capabilities needed to quickly assemble a nuclear weapon.”

International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi: “Given the explosive payload utilized, and the extreme vibration-sensitive nature of centrifuges, very significant damage is expected to have occurred. At the Esfahan nuclear site, additional buildings were hit, with the US confirming their use of cruise missiles. Affected buildings include some related to the uranium conversion process. Also at this site, entrances to tunnels used for the storage of enriched material appear to have been hit. At the Natanz enrichment site, the Fuel Enrichment Plant was hit, with the US confirming that it used ground-penetrating munitions.”

Institute for Science and International Security President David Albright: “Overall, Israel’s and U.S. attacks have effectively destroyed Iran’s centrifuge enrichment program. It will be a long time before Iran comes anywhere near the capability it had before the attack.”

Foundation for Defense of Democracies’ Nonproliferation and Biodefense Program Deputy Director Andrea Stricker: “I think that because of the massive damage and the shock wave that would have been sent by 12 Massive Ordnance Penetrators at the Fordow site, that it likely would render its centrifuges damaged or inoperable.”

American Enterprise Institute Middle East Portfolio Manager Brian Carter: “There is no question that the bombing campaign ‘badly, badly damaged’ the three sites.”

Institute for Science and International Security Senior Research Fellow Spencer Faragasso: “Overall, it may possibly take years for Iran to reconstitute the capabilities it lost at these facilities.”

[Rikbikboo]

I must be going mad. I was sitting here thinking as I was watching the news as to what was being shown on Iranian news and I was remembering Iraqi news saying similar things. However, these people are not stupid.

Then I was thinking Has Trump and the team gone totally with military advisors expecting it would be a pushover and it's not.

The Chinese and Russians have all been quiet also. Then the Statement from the Iranians about the plutonium. There is no such deal for handover at all. What if in some crazy way Iranians smuggled some material out of Iran and just pop a dirty bomb somewhere?. How Possible is that scenario?.

Are these really the religious nuts we are led to believe?. Just keeping the strait closed is causing major problems but Russia and China have a rail link dont they? So oil shouldnt be an issue for them so they can sit it out and wait patiently whilst the US depletes its ammo and reserves.

I thought maybe Trump was going mad and there are no brakes, but the rest of his party do seem to be in support which is to me indicative of a much more "For itself" view from the US.

Also the worlds safer remarks. It doesnt feel like it .

Oh and also Like, you still have not caused changed for the Iranian people. Still daily I bet they are still killing protestors. We are not seeing anyone that seems even remotely acceptable emerge as a leader, No news coming out of Iran saying Iranians are celebrating a new state of leadership etc

Maybe the Uranium/plutonium is under that mountain destroyed. But did they move it prior to that? Is it only centrifuges that are destroyed?. Where is the stuff?.

Are there radiation detectors in airports? How easy would it be to send some into the us by plane in small quantities? in luggage via Pakistan maybe. I expect the Americans want the material as a condition of any deal.

How much would you need to just put the frighteners on another superpower? Would 100g be enough to make a dirty bomb or to cause widespread panic?. Would anyone even know? Do terrorist events get rad counted?

Oh and these trades before an announcement is made. Thats well suss.
So really its fkd. And its a terrible amount of suffering for those that are innocent.

[Caduceus]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

I must be going mad. I was sitting here thinking as I was watching the news as to what was being shown on Iranian news and I was remembering Iraqi news saying similar things. However, these people are not stupid.

Then I was thinking Has Trump and the team gone totally with military advisors expecting it would be a pushover and it's not.

The Chinese and Russians have all been quiet also. Then the Statement from the Iranians about the plutonium. There is no such deal for handover at all. What if in some crazy way Iranians smuggled some material out of Iran and just pop a dirty bomb somewhere?. How Possible is that scenario?.

Are these really the religious nuts we are led to believe?. Just keeping the strait closed is causing major problems but Russia and China have a rail link dont they? So oil shouldnt be an issue for them so they can sit it out and wait patiently whilst the US depletes its ammo and reserves.

I thought maybe Trump was going mad and there are no brakes, but the rest of his party do seem to be in support which is to me indicative of a much more "For itself" view from the US.

Also the worlds safer remarks. It doesnt feel like it .

Religious nuts. Yeah, you could say that. 60,000 radical muslim attacks since 911. Over 200,000 killed. Knife, bomb, shoot, burn, intimdate, threaten, overwhelm.

[Rikbikboo]

I understand the nuclear fears, and it's hard to imagine that a nuclear armed Iran would play nice. At the same time it seems that they have been offered a golden opportunity if they choose to stop that research and decide to make a deal and be welcomed back into the fold as it were.

I can also see why they want the bomb, just like the North Koreans now they have it they are being left alone because of the fear of what they may do. Kim Jon Un made all the threats but hasn't used them because he probably realises it would mean certain death.

At the same time it also gives him a shield against his perceived threat. the Iranians on the other hand seem to not have suffered with regard to losing control as much as was thought by the Trump administration.

Was the recent stuff that came out about Trump wanting the nuclear codes rubbish or do we think he could have possibly thought about it

So where are we now. Iran in the news today welcoming oil coming in at $140 a barrel. The US saying the blockade is working whilst the Iranians say they closed the strait.

Is the US plan to try and starve them out and collapse the economy? Energy doesn't seem to be a problem and the All three powers RU China and Iran are all linked to the north by sea and land.

It seems like the general public are the ones paying for this at the pumps and in the supermarkets. Trump started a war that's cost billions so far with no end in sight so who is benefiting? Close friends of Trump who seem to be making billions by having inside information and advance notice of any announcements he makes.

A few days ago people here in the UK were scoffing at the fact the oil companies announced record profits on the back of recent events.

Whats next? there is already talk of shortages in the coming months at the supermarkets, The UK couldn't feed our population in the event of a full scale war we just couldn't do it. The general public I think seem ignorant to that fact. its not on the doorstep so its like they do not seem to care. Perhaps Im wrong.

Maybe when Petrol hits £2 a litre and there is no gas during the winter they will stand up and take notice. What a mess. I can remember being a kid and always being told WW3 would start in the middle east.

Is the Israelie action acceptable? In a lot of ways some would say yes, you cant have your general population worrying if they are going to be wiped out again and after WW2 they are hell bent on it not happening. All that but at what cost? When does the action become a war crime?

Every time I say that I have to also remember how the Pallies were dancing in the street on the day of the attack so they brought it upon themselves, but at the same time when we see the disproportionate civilian deaths its hard to accept it and that seems to be the main concern surrounding Netanyahu.

While he has Trumps support he will push as far as he can to- in his eyes make his country and the world safe if he is to be believed.

What with the latest attack in the UK on the Jewish the prime minister has just made extra funding available to protect them Whilst at the same time we slip slowly more into inflation and the trouble that brings.

The fabled pro western or new leadership in Iran hasn't materialised in the slightest so we all just sit back waiting for the next thing Trumps going to do because he feels NATO didnt help the US but he forgets the only time article five was ever invoked was the 9/11 attacks where infact every NATO member did indeed take it as an attack on all and stood up beside them.

I liked Trump he did actually seem to have the balls to do what the public voted him there to do and now they are complaining about it, which shows you just cannot please everyone.

[kellyhound]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

I can also see why they want the bomb, just like the North Koreans now they have it they are being left alone because of the fear of what they may do.

Kim Jon Un made all the threats but hasn't used them because he probably realises it would mean certain death.

Iran, has funded and exported weapons/missiles to Hamas, Hezbollah and logistical, technical and financial support to Assad. That was/is a direct threat to Israel so what if they supply them with a nuclear warhead and let them do the dirty work.

I call them being part of the axis of evil. Exporting shaheds so russia can bomb civilian structures etc.

So it would help the regime would collapse and that's what the blockade is all about imo. Cutting oil revenues for the already sanctioned IRGC to weaken them as they siphon about half of the country's oil revenue. Maritime trade plummeted by 90% and crude oil export by 70%.

The blockade is not in place for humanitarian help like medicines and food, if there's a shortage, i read the other week.

Problem is that due to the blockade the inflation in Iran raised by over 50% and some products like chicken around 75% so many can't afford it anymore so maybe they want the population to protest and create civil unrest to speed up a regime change.

Iran still exports oil to russia as they don't have to pay a fee and rumors go China is paying fees in crypto or yuan and they all use shadow fleet ships that turn off their transponders.

China uses teapot refineries which are small, independent, privately owned oil refineries in China that have become a crucial lifeline for Iran's economy. Clustered primarily in Shandong Province, they are nicknamed "teapots" due to their relatively small and simple refining structures compared to major state-owned facilities.

While large Chinese state-owned companies (like Sinopec) avoid sanctioned oil to protect their global business interests, "teapots" have less exposure to the U.S. financial system, making them more willing to handle politically risky crude.

Teapots collectively handle about a quarter of China’s oil processing of Iran's oil exports.

China holds an estimated 140–165 million barrels of Iranian oil in transit or bonded storage, enough to sustain its current import pace for roughly 4 months.

However The U.S. Treasury Dept. has recently sanctioned several major teapots, including Hengli Petrochemical (Dalian) and Hebei Xinhai Chemical Group. Also the U.S. has warned global financial institutions that they face secondary sanctions if they facilitate any transactions—including those for logistics or cargo inspection—linked to these refineries.

Buying oil from Iran means the U.S. will impose secondary sanctions to those companies by cutting them off from the U.S. financial system making it impossible to do business in U.S. dollars. (That's why some pay in crypto now or Chinese yuan.

Don't know if this all will this help to weaken the regime as China recently activated a 10,400 km rail line from Xi'an directly to Tehran. This route takes only 15 days and allows for the transport of containers and potentially oil in tank cars without needing a single ship and russia uses a network of rail and road links that move goods to its southern ports on the Caspian Sea, where they are shipped to northern Iranian ports like Bandar Anzali. Since the Caspian is an enclosed sea, it is completely out of reach for the U.S. Navy.

Strait of hormuz is an economic lifeline for the entire world so we all gonna feel it.

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

Was the recent stuff that came out about Trump wanting the nuclear codes rubbish or do we think he could have possibly thought about it

Load of shit that came from a former CIA analist named Larry Johnson who couldn't verify any source plus he said completely untrue things before about Trump or Obama that were debunked.

The real power in Iran now has shifted to a wartime leadership centered on the Supreme National Security Council which is dominated by security chiefs and the IRGC transitioning the country from a religious autocracy into a military-led junta.

IRGC Commander, Vahidi is calling the shots now it seems and he doesn't want to negotiate with U.S. like some other political leaders that did want to talk about the sanctions and possibilities so i think this could easily take another 3 to 4 months unless the U.S and Israel start bombing again.

[Rikbikboo]

https://news.sky.com/video/the-param...banon-13547776

It's so hard to support the Israeli action when they keep doing stuff like this. And it seems in the UK we are starting to hear less and less about Gaza but continue to hear how they keep doing these strikes. To say it was an attack on 2 bikes when its blatantly obvious they are lying and its caught on film is just outrageous.

This is an army with some of the best weapons systems on the planet and they seem to be blowing up innocent people at will. It is very clear that its an ambulance and that they were there to help the wounded. There can be no justification for keep doing this sort of thing.

It would seem Hezbullah consider themselves to be the "resistance" to occupation and ultimately none of it will stop until they are gone. but judging by the interviews coming out

https://news.sky.com/video/would-you...srael-13547235 How do you stop when these people consider themselves the resistance. you cant kill every one of them and so we will continue to see innocent people losing their lives.