[shapeshifter634]

There is no argument that the United States 'saved the world' and it's very hard to see how they are ever defenders of democracy. Read some Mearshamer, Sachs, Chomsky. In fact, just read. But not the bible. And 'God judges'. Really? Sigh.

[shapeshifter634]

Indoctrination starts young in every religion. Jews notwithstanding. And no, I'm not a self hating Jew. I'm a Jewish voice for peace.

[Vincentsdream]

Jewish people in Israel are HEAVILY indoctrinated. They literally laugh at the idea of children dying in Gaza, because from an infancy they are told they are the enemy and are not human.

It's disgusting, and it's everything the "other side" preaches about Gazans. Which isn't necessarily wrong. Both sides blatantly hate each other. But one side has a gun, and the other side has a nuclear arsenal. There is no way to look at what is happening now in Gaza and not see it's over the top and unnecessary. You can call it whatever you want. It stopped being self-defense a long time ago. It's like a guy breaks into your house, and then you chase him out of your home. Down the street, back to his place, and murder his entire family.

[Rikbikboo]

I still find it amazing that people here in support of Israel simply point blank will refuse the notion that war crimes are being committed. Not once have I said Hamas shouldnt go, but not at the current price. 95% percent of the building of Gaza destroyed of damaged, hospitals attacking alone with women children and the press. Of course these are war crimes. What I do get is the feeling that Israel will not allow a repeat of the evnt of WW2 to be visited upon them.

But in the same breath It is extremely hard to understand how a people that faced such a struggle would visit a similar action upon someone else. Then of course it makes sense as to why, Because they simply will not ever be victims as they were before.

I always think of the line "The oppressed become the oppressors" I also understand when people here cry propaganda but as I have said before, the countless reports coming in can not all be lies.

Now for the rest of the world who seem happy and content to sit back and allow it to happen makes me ask myself is this what thre allies did when they learned of the concentration camps? just sat back and used the excuse of talking rather than direct action to stop it.

For a while when the US and UK said they wouldnt supply anymore weapons to Israel to perpetrate these acts it seemed as if it would end.

Instead that slowly seemed to get brushed under the carpet and Nettypoos started bombing even more innocents. Its clear the intention is to wipe out the Gazan people. All of the news reports and countless recorded bombings of hospitals civilians and reporters cant all be tragic accidents as the IDF keeps saying.

And yet time and time again it keeps happening. How can you ever expect a people to not hold resentment when you have invaded their land (Im talking of the illegal settlements that are clearly not part of the initial land agreement and are recognised as illegal by the UN and other countries). Are those reports false also.

And yet still there are some that despite being faced with all of the evidence will still say it all lies.

It makes you wonder who is really brain washed.

[shapeshifter634]

Thank you for that. I agree entirely. The oppressed becomes the oppressor certainly makes sense. Sometimes I think of Israel as the abused child that was over compensated for and has resulted in an entitled adult.

[akyan]

If you can enforce your sovereignty the land is yours, its that simple from dawn of human existence. If my group can kill your group, this cave is ours. Rest is just details.

[Vincentsdream]

So you support Russias invasion?

[v1r]

Originally Posted by Vincentsdream ↗

So you support Russias invasion?

Wrong thread terrorist.

[Vincentsdream]

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

Wrong thread terrorist.

Not the water cooler v1r.

[Vincentsdream]

Originally Posted by shapeshifter634 ↗

Thank you for that. I agree entirely. The oppressed becomes the oppressor certainly makes sense. Sometimes I think of Israel as the abused child that was over compensated for and has resulted in an entitled adult.

Israel has a right to defend itself. It doesn't have a right to kill anyone who looks like their attackers and their children.

Israel will scream against innocents being killed, but then murder 10000 children.

They have power and are comfortable exerting it over others who cant effectively defend themselves. That being said. Attacks on Israel by hamas are still wrong. You cant support hamas and be against Israels crimes without serious cognitive dissonance.