[Yakisoba]

Originally Posted by IvorySmith ↗

Spain started the industrialized slave trade and colonialism. It's a fake tirade to make them seem like the good guys.

It was Portugal, but Spain did a lot of horrible shit during the Spanish Inquisition days and also during the Spanish civil war in the 1930’s when they allied with Nazis under the disguise of “neutrality”. They would send Jewish people escaping concentration camps back to Germany and house them in the Spanish camps under Franco. Sephardic Jews are still treated like shit in Spain.

[Rikbikboo]

It’s like all
Of a sudden Israel
Has gotten brave and started hurling bombs all over the place perhaps if they were not supported by the USA in their genocide of the Gazan population they wouldn’t be so cocksure. They seem to have a goal of bombing all of their neighbours back into the 50s in the hope they will secure a lasting peace I don’t think that will work out for them in the long run.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

It’s like all
Of a sudden Israel
They seem to have a goal of bombing all of their neighbours back into the 50s

Well, its neither "all of a sudden" nor "their goal".
The war began because Hamas/palestinians attacked and killed Israel'is indiscriminately.
What is happening now, is quite a marvelous work by the IDF. Just think about it. Look how they have demolished the high ranking leadership of all of the enemies within range. No other country has so successfully killed high ranking leaders than IDF.
Not even Americans or Ukrainians can pull this off.
In all fairness, if IDF wanted to bomb their neighbors/gaza into oblivion, then they would have done so...at least in Palestine. They have total control over the airspace and the region is small enough to simply carpet bomb it into annihilation. In reality, IDF does the opposite. They announce their targets beforehand and ask civilians to leave. Hamas doesn't let them leave or even worse, busses in more civilians to send them all into paradise and get a few good photo-ops out of it too. Civilian life for fundamentalist religious nutjobs is completely worthless.

[Rikbikboo]

Sorry I do not agree. the way the handling of getting aid and food to the civilian population is a farce. They may have done a good job removing the leadership but the civilian cost is absolutely disgusting. The have been more than a few event where the IDF have behaved in more than a questionable way.

[Caduceus]

Originally Posted by Rikbikboo ↗

Sorry I do not agree. the way the handling of getting aid and food to the civilian population is a farce. They may have done a good job removing the leadership but the civilian cost is absolutely disgusting. The have been more than a few event where the IDF have behaved in more than a questionable way.

Have you not seen the endless videos of Hamas hijacking food/supply trucks? Shooting Palestinians/Gazans for trying to get food? Savages.

[scorpion9]

Originally Posted by Caduceus ↗

Have you not seen the endless videos of Hamas hijacking food/supply trucks? Shooting Palestinians/Gazans for trying to get food? Savages.

Yes, not only that - there are even videos of palestinians themselves asking jews to come and save them from hamas. They say openly, that hamas is intercepting all the aid and using it as leverage to force locals into doing what they want.

Added a summary of average nr of civilian casualties per day of war - no one can really provide accurate numbers during war time, so...who knows how broad estimates these are, but the stats are all close, especially when considering the difference in population density. Try blowing up a military target in a jungle in vietnam VS military target in down town gaza.

You can also compare russia-ukr casualty rate to gaza.
In Ukraine, frontline cities are evacuated, so most of the fighting is done in already abandoned cities and villages. Ukr also has very good air defense which shoots down long ranged drones/missiles and russia has no air superiority over civilian areas. In gaza, noone has evacuated( and Hamas probably wouldnt allow it ), Egypt also wont accept palestinians. On top of that, Israel controls the air space completely.

[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by Caduceus ↗

Have you not seen the endless videos of Hamas hijacking food/supply trucks? Shooting Palestinians/Gazans for trying to get food? Savages.

Yes I have, but iv also seen IDF soldiers perpetrating blatant actions that are illegal. Today we have acting surgeons coming back saying that they are feeding babies sugar water because there is nothing else.

That it seems that on certain days teenage victims are coming in with clusters of wounds almost as if they were using them for target practice.

That the baby formula they were taking with them was confiscated by the IDF. That all of the UN food stations have been closed down whilst the ones opened by the IDF with US support show a direct correlation of shooting injuries going up.

Anyone that says that Israel isnt allowing this to go on must be blind and meantime the majority of the world is sittign back allowing it to happen . Those IDF soldiers who continue to shoot unarmed civilians and commit war crimes because they are following orders should be ashamed and will have to carry that for the rest of their lives.

I was in full support after the oct 7 attacks, but I cant in good faith offer support when I see such suffering perpetrated by a country that of ALL countries of the world you would expect to know better.

Killing off a population because of the actions of a few is diabolical and I hope that one day they will be punished.

These are human beings not animals. starving children, babies. any justification is not acceptable.

[houseoftechno]

Ugg. The shrimp boat captain never tires of peppering this forum with fictional antisemitic Hamas talking points.

[scorpion9]

That it seems that on certain days teenage victims are coming in with clusters of wounds almost as if they were using them for target practice.

That shouldn't be surprising. The population of gaza is very young. The median age is close to 18, meaning, half the population is younger than that. Now, that also applies to the soldiers.
If a 14 year old soldier is killed in wearing civilian clothes, then he is registered as " civilian child killed by IDF ", where as in reality, he was a full blown soldier. HAMAS doesn't wear uniforms and they don't have clear "frontlines" that can be attacked. Its not a conventional army. They are part of the civilian population and make themselves hard or even impossible to separate from civilians.

That all of the UN food stations have been closed down whilst the ones opened by the IDF with US support show a direct correlation of shooting injuries going up

UN and other aid distribution routes were routinely intercepted and mis-managed. Aid that ends up in the hands of Hamas, will fund their war and prolong the conflict. It makes sense from IDF's point of view to control the aid routes, makes sure the aid goes into the right place and that it contains nothing dangerous. If you don't control the aid routes, then its trivial for the enemy to truck in weapons and supplies under the guise of aid. Even worse, its trivial for anyone to steal the aid. Also, IDF was willing to distribute the UN and other aid packages, but the UN didn't want to give control over to IDF.

Those IDF soldiers who continue to shoot unarmed civilians and commit war crimes because they are following orders

There is a shit ton of anti-israel propaganda claims out there, most is fake, but if you think you have good evidence/videos of this happening, post the videos here or make a compilation. I mean, something where you can actually see IDF shooting at civilians, not random people running in front of camera or aftermath of some explosion or just flat out acting. Its one of the most densly populated part of the world and most have phones. Everything should be on camera.

There are definitely cases where IDF is forced to shoot at civilians( since they cant separate hamas from civilians ) but that is rare and an exception. If they actually wanted to commit "genocide" and "kill off" the population, there would be no gaza anymore.

[Rikbikboo]

Originally Posted by houseoftechno ↗

Ugg. The shrimp boat captain never tires of peppering this forum with fictional antisemitic Hamas talking points.

Call it what you like. I don’t hate Jews I hate what they are doing why do you sad bastards always pull the anti Semitic bullshit whenever you are criticised and people Won’t believe your lies ?

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The moment you hear something you don’t like call it Anti semetic


Dumbass cop out excuse

It’s all lies the hundreds of aid agencies all reporting back the same info are all propaganda- fuck off israel It’s no wonder you are criticised the world over at the moment. Let’s all believe every word you say because you don’t tell lies or shoot innocent civilians