[Budd Dwyer]

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

But big events with as many casualties as this should most definitely go in the Death section, no?

Nope
At least if people looking for plane crash related death footage it can be found instead of being buried by the gazillion Brazilian/south American/asian death threads

[Budd Dwyer]

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

Lets agree to disagree. Both sections technically "work".

No it doesn't
Don't be fucking daft and cunty

[Brynjar]

Originally Posted by Xtatic ↗

I would hate to have to look at this creepy ass photo right before the crash and burn.

It was an omen for things to come.

[v1r]

Originally Posted by Budd Dwyer ↗

No it doesn't
Don't be fucking daft and cunty

You have no idea what you are talking about. More eyes = More money for Chris.

[greekcs]

When approaching the stall, there is no noticeable change in the ATR behavior; that is the reason
why the aircraft is equipped with two “artificial” devices -stick shaker and stick pusher- based on
the angle of attack measurement to detect the approach to stall.

Natural or artificial clues may be detected as a consequence of an approaching or imminent stall:
• buffeting
• reduced roll stability and aileron effectiveness
• low airspeed visual or aural indications
• reduced elevator (pitch) authority
• inability to maintain altitude or rate of descent
• stick shaker that warns the pilot on approaching the stall
• stick pusher if angle of attack continues increasing despite stick shaker alerts

[Hogmann]

Originally Posted by greekcs ↗

When approaching the stall, there is no noticeable change in the ATR behavior; that is the reason
why the aircraft is equipped with two “artificial” devices -stick shaker and stick pusher- based on
the angle of attack measurement to detect the approach to stall.

Natural or artificial clues may be detected as a consequence of an approaching or imminent stall:
• buffeting
• reduced roll stability and aileron effectiveness
• low airspeed visual or aural indications
• reduced elevator (pitch) authority
• inability to maintain altitude or rate of descent
• stick shaker that warns the pilot on approaching the stall
• stick pusher if angle of attack continues increasing despite stick shaker alerts

Exactly!
this plane should have warned the pilots of the impending stall and pitched down on its own as it approached stall unless the system was disabled, broken or overridden.

[houseoftechno]

Originally Posted by OmniJackal ↗

This is the most incredible video on earth.

And fuck off whoever whining repost. I visit only this sub. Eat shit.

Incredible video and thank you for reposting!

I wasn't whining. I was pointing out a repost for the mods to address. DR does not allow parallel threads, especially at the same time. Might be worth your while to snoop around in other forums once in a while, so you don't miss more good stuff.

[Budd Dwyer]

Originally Posted by v1r ↗

You have no idea what you are talking about. More eyes = More money for Chris.

I don't give a shit about Chris or his money

[houseoftechno]

Originally Posted by Budd Dwyer ↗

I think that wasn't instant, you could hear the agonal breathing

Agree. I heard that breathing but assumed it was noise from the wreckage. I was in denial that anybody could survive a 150mph crash even for an instant, while holding onto their phone! I edited my original post to fix that.

[houseoftechno]

Originally Posted by Silverfang2340 ↗

Interested to know what really happened here, the plane seems to have gone down quick, somehow making a sharp left banked turn

That was a classic stall-spin behavior common to all planes/jets that lose their lift due to one or a combination of factors:
1. too slow
2. too nose high
3. turning too steep
4. environment degrades lift (wind sheer, icing, etc.)
5. other pilot control error or mechanical failure (flaps, rudder) that lowers lift
During a stall-spin, the lift is no longer holding up the wings, so the plane will rotate on its long axis and arc down to earth like a lead weight, just like we saw on the video.

The flight recorders have been recovered. Nobody will know the cause until the investigation concludes, but basic current speculation leans to one or more of these factors causing the stall-spin:
1. too nose high - a pilot will raise the nose to drop altitude for the landing - this jet was dropping altitude to land and some observers think this flight looked nose high in the video
2. turning too steep - the flight path to the target runway involved two steep 90-degree turns in succession - this it the normal path for this flight
3. wind sheer - the jet was descending into a river valley in mountainous terrain - this setting is subject to wind currents that can buffet the jet and momentarily lower or erase the lift
4. other pilot control error - interior video showed flaps were 50% during part of descent where 100% may have been called for - a number of observations that the engines appeared to be at lower RPM/thrust settings than called for
5. mechanical failure - always a possibility - may have affected engine settings in this case