[rob666]

Originally Posted by The Last Nephilim ↗

I don't recall any current religion that blatantly orders its followers to kill non-believers over and over again in its religious text. Read the Koran, it's all right there.

???

The really interesting thing is that the Bible has been the same for 2000 years.
The Inquisition and Crusades had the same Christian Bibles people have today.
What can we learn from this? Maybe that different people interpret information differently?

[The Last Nephilim]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

Actually your question was what current religion encourages its followers to kill. I'm pretty sure the Crusades & Inquisition equaled out everything.

You guys are trying to play it off like the Koran has a monopoly on crazy, when it doesn't.

The crusades started in the 11th century, well after and in reaction to the expanding Islamic empire and its incessant slaughter. Learn something about history.

All religion is crazy in my opinion. Religion is a crutch for humans that cannot accept the fact that there is nothing after this life. Islam is focused on violence though, that is the big difference.

[johnleeknoefler]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

I believe the official report into the Waco situation said the fire was caused by the Branch Dividians themselves, not the Government.
Yes Koresh was deranged, but so was interpretation of the Christian Bible..... This the the whole point here John..... Every religous book can be interpreted in different ways.
And they are.
To say the Koran can only be interpreted one way is beyond ignorant, and probably for racial reasons.
Muhammad Ali didn't run around bombing stuff, why? Because his interpretation is different than some zelot.
But the really amazing thing here is that you think you have the best insight into it, even though you're not a Muslim.
Defaming a whole religion as potential terrorists is hate speech. Your not the only one on here hiding behind "free speech" so keep on going.

The problem here that you don't seem to acknowledge is that all religions have their evil elements, and go through evil peroids.
Read into the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition..... Christianity historically is no better. There are elements today, in America, that would gladly bring us back to that period in time if not for laws seperating church & state.

You either don't acknowledge the Christian right or your completely ignorant, it exists and in 2004 78% of them voted for Bush.
What do they want? For starters creationism taught in schools, prayer, no abortion and anything else that fits into their religous views. They want no seperation of church & state, and they are very politicly active & organized.
Do your own research.

"I believe the official report into the Waco situation said the fire was caused by the Branch Dividians themselves"
Which Branch Davidians? The women and children and non combatants who tried to escape? The fact remains that BATF created the situation that escalated into mass murder. They started the shooting. If you believe the governments version of events completely then you are a bigger fool than I even imagined. Like the government doesn't lie?


"Koresh was deranged, but so was (his) interpretation of the Christian Bible"
Interpretation? At what point was he "interpreting". What verses? Where does it say he can dissolve marraiges? Or have sex with some other persons wife? Or with young girls? He made it all up and went off on his own doctrines from his own mind. He had nothing to do with "Christianity". BTW I am not a Christian but I do belong to one of the oldest faiths known to man. And our people have NEVER been militant.

"Every religous book can be interpreted in different ways." The koran is not being interpreted. The violent calls for jihad and murder of Jews and non believers is all through it. The only peaceful verses have all been abrogated by later calls to violence. And it doesn't matter if the majority of muslims are happy just to be peaceful. It is not they who are dangerous. They won't be helping non muslims when the real jihad starts. They never have. Ten percent of all muslims world wide are militant and the percentage is growing as thier numbers grow. How many David Koreshes are there here in USA? Very few and they can be watched. Of thier followers only a small percentage actually will join them in violence. The rest will happily leave and do so on a regular basis if given the chance once they see how crazy these manipulaters are. Even the New Testement is full of warnings about people like Koresh. There are strict warnings to be on the lookout for false leaders who only want to fill thier pockets and satisfy thier lusts on innocent congregations. You will not find such warnings in the Koran.


To say the Koran can only be interpreted one way is beyond ignorant, and probably for racial reasons.
"Muhammad Ali didn't run around bombing stuff, why? Because his interpretation is different than some zelot."
Wrong again. Ali was not a true muslim. He left the Nation of islam and became a Sunni muslim. Then he decided he didn't care for thier ideas either and became a "Sufi Muslim" which is no muslim at all. They don't even care about the Koran and thier religion predates Islam.

" the Sufi philosophy is universal in nature, its roots predating the rise of Islam... some Muslims consider Sufism outside the sphere of Islam."

(René Guénon in 'Insights into Islamic Esoterism and Taoism)

"But the really amazing thing here is that you think you have the best insight into it, even though you're not a Muslim. "
"By thier fruits ye shall know them"

"Defaming a whole religion as potential terrorists is hate speech."
It's called criticism. I don't defame a religion that has already done all it can to defame itself. I just posted a video. You should address the truth in the video. "hate speech" Really? Seriously? I guess the thousands of vids of decapitations, hand chopping, finger chopping, tongue chopping, genital mutilation is not defaming enough? And the thousands of Imams in thousands of mosques calling for the deaths of non muslims and inciting thier millions of followers to kill the rest of the world is not hate speech? Oh please!

"The problem here that you don't seem to acknowledge is that all religions have their evil elements, and go through evil peroids."
Like Buddists? Messianic Judaism? Shinto? So this is the excuse of Muslims? Even catholics have become more tolerant of late and they are not much older a religion than muslims. So why can't muslims make progress? Look to the Koran. At least catholics now are allowed to read the Old and New Testement since it is available in English. That may be why they are not so ignorant this past couple centuries.

"Read into the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition....."
Yes I know all about the catholics and thier attempts to kill out my fellow believers who refused to submit to thier perverted brand of "christianity". The crusades and the Inquisition were not just about muslims. Catholicism has very little to do with scripture. If you did any research you would know this. Yes catholics "interpret" They must twist scripture to justify thier murderous actions. But I would far rather live in a catholic nation than a muslim nation.

"Christianity historically is no better."
Like I mentioned, I am not a christion so you are off target. But I have not seen any Christian beheading videos or anything like the muslims put out so you are falling on your face on this one. Unless you want to call catholics Christian but I fail to see what bible verses you can post to support your thinking.


" There are elements today, in America, that would gladly bring us back to that period in time if not for laws seperating church & state."
You mean catholic burning at the stake of heretics? Or our early founding fathers "Freedom of Religion"? The founders of this nation knew full well the dangers of a state sponsored religion having recently come here from England.

"You either don't acknowledge the Christian right or your completely ignorant, it exists and in 2004 78% of them voted for Bush."
And strangely there were no beheadings. Imagine that.

"What do they want? For starters creationism taught in schools"
OMG!. I am terrified now! Like that would be the worst thing to ever happen? But never mind the federal government is mandating Islamic facilities in schools for muslims and teaching fisting in sex education classes and handing out condoms. But that is surely no problem to you. Obama wants sex education in KinderGarten. Won't that be nice.
"prayer" And it bothers you that children might actually pray? They already took one school trip to a mosque and the teachers invited the children to join the muslims in prayer. Obama sponsored an Islamic day of prayer at the Capital Mall. But that's ok with you isn't it? And The Obama administration is by executive order paying millions to buiild and repair mosques around the world. But that is ok also so long as he doesn't help any struggling churches here in USA as that would be a violation of The SACRED seperation of Church and State.
"no abortion"
Well of course we must sponsor abortion in our schools. If we are teaching them to have sex and handing out condoms what happens if a condom breaks. We must of course not punish the young lady with a BABY. "Kill it!".

"They want no seperation of church & state"
You mean like Sharia law? And can you show me where they have advocated this? ?

"and they are very politicly active & organized"
Now we can't have that can we?

"Do your own research"
I did. Do every day.

[rob666]

Originally Posted by The Last Nephilim ↗

The crusades started in the 11th century, well after and in reaction to the expanding Islamic empire and its incessant slaughter. Learn something about history.

All religion is crazy in my opinion. Religion is a crutch for humans that cannot accept the fact that there is nothing after this life. Islam is focused on violence though, that is the big difference.

I guess if you consider christians going into the middle east to conquer jerusalem, syria & such..... it wasn't like muslims were coming to Europe. In fact they all revolved around europeans going into the middle east didn't they?
What about the Inquisition?

[rob666]

Originally Posted by johnleeknoefler ↗

"I believe the official report into the Waco situation said the fire was caused by the Branch Dividians themselves"
Which Branch Davidians? The women and children and non combatants who tried to escape? The fact remains that BATF created the situation that escalated into mass murder. They started the shooting. If you believe the governments version of events completely then you are a bigger fool than I even imagined. Like the government doesn't lie?


"Koresh was deranged, but so was (his) interpretation of the Christian Bible"
Interpretation? At what point was he "interpreting". What verses? Where does it say he can dissolve marraiges? Or have sex with some other persons wife? Or with young girls? He made it all up and went off on his own doctrines from his own mind. He had nothing to do with "Christianity". BTW I am not a Christian but I do belong to one of the oldest faiths known to man. And our people have NEVER been militant.

"Every religous book can be interpreted in different ways." The koran is not being interpreted. The violent calls for jihad and murder of Jews and non believers is all through it. The only peaceful verses have all been abrogated by later calls to violence. And it doesn't matter if the majority of muslims are happy just to be peaceful. It is not they who are dangerous. They won't be helping non muslims when the real jihad starts. They never have. Ten percent of all muslims world wide are militant and the percentage is growing as thier numbers grow. How many David Koreshes are there here in USA? Very few and they can be watched. Of thier followers only a small percentage actually will join them in violence. The rest will happily leave and do so on a regular basis if given the chance once they see how crazy these manipulaters are. Even the New Testement is full of warnings about people like Koresh. There are strict warnings to be on the lookout for false leaders who only want to fill thier pockets and satisfy thier lusts on innocent congregations. You will not find such warnings in the Koran.


To say the Koran can only be interpreted one way is beyond ignorant, and probably for racial reasons.
"Muhammad Ali didn't run around bombing stuff, why? Because his interpretation is different than some zelot."
Wrong again. Ali was not a true muslim. He left the Nation of islam and became a Sunni muslim. Then he decided he didn't care for thier ideas either and became a "Sufi Muslim" which is no muslim at all. They don't even care about the Koran and thier religion predates Islam.

" the Sufi philosophy is universal in nature, its roots predating the rise of Islam... some Muslims consider Sufism outside the sphere of Islam."

(René Guénon in 'Insights into Islamic Esoterism and Taoism)

"But the really amazing thing here is that you think you have the best insight into it, even though you're not a Muslim. "
"By thier fruits ye shall know them"

"Defaming a whole religion as potential terrorists is hate speech."
It's called criticism. I don't defame a religion that has already done all it can to defame itself. I just posted a video. You should address the truth in the video. "hate speech" Really? Seriously? I guess the thousands of vids of decapitations, hand chopping, finger chopping, tongue chopping, genital mutilation is not defaming enough? And the thousands of Imams in thousands of mosques calling for the deaths of non muslims and inciting thier millions of followers to kill the rest of the world is not hate speech? Oh please!

"The problem here that you don't seem to acknowledge is that all religions have their evil elements, and go through evil peroids."
Like Buddists? Messianic Judaism? Shinto? So this is the excuse of Muslims? Even catholics have become more tolerant of late and they are not much older a religion than muslims. So why can't muslims make progress? Look to the Koran. At least catholics now are allowed to read the Old and New Testement since it is available in English. That may be why they are not so ignorant this past couple centuries.

"Read into the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition....."
Yes I know all about the catholics and thier attempts to kill out my fellow believers who refused to submit to thier perverted brand of "christianity". The crusades and the Inquisition were not just about muslims. Catholicism has very little to do with scripture. If you did any research you would know this. Yes catholics "interpret" They must twist scripture to justify thier murderous actions. But I would far rather live in a catholic nation than a muslim nation.

"Christianity historically is no better."
Like I mentioned, I am not a christion so you are off target. But I have not seen any Christian beheading videos or anything like the muslims put out so you are falling on your face on this one. Unless you want to call catholics Christian but I fail to see what bible verses you can post to support your thinking.


" There are elements today, in America, that would gladly bring us back to that period in time if not for laws seperating church & state."
You mean catholic burning at the stake of heretics? Or our early founding fathers "Freedom of Religion"? The founders of this nation knew full well the dangers of a state sponsored religion having recently come here from England.

"You either don't acknowledge the Christian right or your completely ignorant, it exists and in 2004 78% of them voted for Bush."
And strangely there were no beheadings. Imagine that.

"What do they want? For starters creationism taught in schools"
OMG!. I am terrified now! Like that would be the worst thing to ever happen? But never mind the federal government is mandating Islamic facilities in schools for muslims and teaching fisting in sex education classes and handing out condoms. But that is surely no problem to you. Obama wants sex education in KinderGarten. Won't that be nice.
"prayer" And it bothers you that children might actually pray? They already took one school trip to a mosque and the teachers invited the children to join the muslims in prayer. Obama sponsored an Islamic day of prayer at the Capital Mall. But that's ok with you isn't it? And The Obama administration is by executive order paying millions to buiild and repair mosques around the world. But that is ok also so long as he doesn't help any struggling churches here in USA as that would be a violation of The SACRED seperation of Church and State.
"no abortion"
Well of course we must sponsor abortion in our schools. If we are teaching them to have sex and handing out condoms what happens if a condom breaks. We must of course not punish the young lady with a BABY. "Kill it!".

"They want no seperation of church & state"
You mean like Sharia law? And can you show me where they have advocated this? ?

"and they are very politicly active & organized"
Now we can't have that can we?

"Do your own research"
I did. Do every day.

Koresh was a christian, he interpreted a christian bible, if you don't believe the government report thats your right but it is what it is.

You see no problem with prayer in school or creationism? Do you want your tax dollars spent on teaching kids the earth is 5000 years old, and that jesus lived with dinosaurs? Beheadings no, but he killed stem cell research on religous grounds and pandered to the religous right at every chance.
But obviously by your statement its OK for a religous group to be politically active as long as their christian...... I see what your all about now.
Lot of hate for Obama, you think hes giving money to muslims that hes not giving to white christians......... you said it actually.
Getting kids to do muslim prayers, but no christian prayers..... but christian prayer is OK.....
You guys are so transparent, thats why I like when you go off.... you can't help but show yourself.

10% of muslims are militant? Beck said 10% were terrorists, quote your source ( and the definition of militant ).

[The Last Nephilim]

Originally Posted by rob666 ↗

I guess if you consider christians going into the middle east to conquer jerusalem, syria & such..... it wasn't like muslims were coming to Europe. In fact they all revolved around europeans going into the middle east didn't they?
What about the Inquisition?

Let me break this down Barney-style for you.

Year 732, Battle of Tours fought to stop a massive Islamic army from expanding its murderous campaign into Europe.
11th century: The first crusades start to reclaim the Christian and Jewish holy land from barbaric Islamic rule.

732 comes before 1100. Both were instigated by the Muslims.

The Inquisition happened, I know. The difference is that it ended, but the Muslims campaign of fear and hate continues.

[The Last Nephilim]

Oh yeah. The Muslims took Jerusalem by force and slaughtered nearly every Jew they saw.

Now, who started what now?

[d23623d]

When given the right verses the Bible looks just as bad the Qu'ran. Both advocate violence and both talk of peace.

Islam, Judaism and Christianity* all accept the Talmud as the word of God. In the Talmud it says that homosexuals must be executed (Leviticus 20:13). If all Jews, Christians and Muslims were killing gays, then they all follow their religious texts, but that's certainly not the case. We only see Muslims in the Middle East and South East Asia doing that. You may argue that the Western Muslims are just practising Taqiyya, but it's likely that if western Jews and Christians aren't following these ridiculous ancient laws layed out in their texts, western Muslims aren't following the ridiculous ancient laws in their texts.

*Many Christians claim that Mosaic law was made obsolete by Jesus, but Christians still quote Mosaic laws, most notably the Ten Commandments.

[vnathan]

I use bibles for cleaning my spunk after jacking off. Very absorbent.

[The Last Nephilim]

Originally Posted by vnathan ↗

I use bibles for cleaning my spunk after jacking off. Very absorbent.

Finally, someone else who knows how to use a bible the correct way.