[luton loyal]

[Dr Thrumpkinz]

Maybe it's a Scotland Yard investigation that just re-opened into this case. This time properly focusing on the Clement Freud connection. Which actually makes sense, because he's dead now, and Scotland Yard just loves exposing people in cases like these after they've died. (Saville, Edward Heath, etc)

[Moloko]

The only way to get to the truth now would be to inject the McCann's with Sodium Pentathol and ask them the questions they refused to answer in their interviews with the Portuguese police.

Is Madeleine dead?
Did you see her die?
Did you find her body?
Did you conceal her body?
Did you dispose her body?
Etc.

I suspect they had Madeleine cremated. There was a pet cemetery with crematorium not too far from where the McCanns were staying. Her remains will never be found. Gerry has always been a cold hearted, cocky cunt when it came to questions regarding M's remains.

[Steve]

I don't know whether they know what happened to MM or not, what I won't do is accuse her parents because of odd behaviour and the say so of some youtube vid.

Bringing Clinton/Podesta into this is laughable.

[Moloko]

Originally Posted by Steve 1 ↗

I don't know whether they know what happened to MM or not, what I won't do is accuse her parents because of odd behaviour and the say so of some youtube vid.

Bringing Clinton/Podesta into this is laughable.

My opinions are based on having read the Polícia Judiciária case files which have been public for years..

[Steve]

Originally Posted by MolokoPlusVelloce ↗

My opinions are based on having read the Polícia Judiciária case files which have been public for years..

I have seen numerous documentaries which were either for or against the McCann's, I saw no conclusive evidence of any wrongdoing apart from leaving their kids home alone, I grew up in Spain and it wasn't unusual at all for parents to leave their kids at home.

I can't say that they aren't guilty, I just don't know.

People act as if they know for a fact they know what happened to MM, everyone is an expert all of a sudden, even the real experts don't know, an opinion isn't fact.

Was Michael Jackson a Paedophile?

There again there's lots to suggest he was, but was he really?

[Moloko]

Until Gordon Brown interfered, the McCanns were Arguidos. Both the Portuguese and British liaison police believed the McCanns were guilty.

The police never said Madeleine had been taken by paedophiles. That was the McCanns and there was no evidence to suggest that she had been kidnapped. She could, at that point, have simply wandered off out of the apartment.
The police found no DNA evidence of an intruder, not a hair, fibre or even a partial print.
Then there's the fact Kate washed the apartment down with diluted bleach, including the curtains. She also washed "cuddle cat." What normal parent washes the toy their child was clutching the night they were last seen alive?
Kate's clothes smelled of cadaverine. Her bible smelled of cadaverine, specifically on the pages of Samuel book two, chapters eleven and twelve which are about the death of a child.
Madeleine's pink blanket and a sports bag went missing.
Madeleine's DNA was found in the boot of her parents' hire car, which had been hired after M disappeared.
The British blood and cadaver dogs, which had been used successfully in two hundred cases, alerted several times in several places in the McCann apartment. There is no record of anyone dying in 5a prior to the McCanns staying there, yet the dogs alerted to cadaverine.
There's also the Gaspar statement, made by Dr Katherine Zacharias Gaspar to Leicestershire police, which details a very disturbing conversation Gerry McCann had with David Payne about Madeleine which was sexual in nature.

My opinion was always that M died in 5a after being drugged and the parents panicked, concealed and disposed of her body then concocted she had been snatched. I can understand why people think that paedophilia played a role in her death. They were letting other men in their group of friends (the so-called "Tapas 7") bathe their kids (they've admitted this in interviews and tried to downplay it). They also knew Clement Freud who was a paedophile and his villa wasn't particularly far from where the McCanns were staying.

The most damning evidence for me is that I have never seen them show any genuine grief or fear like normal parents would in that situation. The Portuguese and British liaison police both noticed how peculiar the McCanns behaved. For God sake, Kate went jogging and Gerry played tennis while the locals were searching for Madeleine.

Here's footage recorded by a Portuguese camera man, five days after Madeleine vanished, of Gerry McCann. The cameraman thought Gerry's behaviour was peculiar for a supposed distressed parent. I'm inclined to agree with him:

[flangemanager]

Although I'm undecided as to what happened, I do have a slight inclination toward the parent/s being involved on a greater level than has been documented so far. However, with a lack of solid evidence, it's impossible to assert that they were 100% guilty of anything more than child neglect.

One question that has never been satisfactorily answered is - If you are to take the opinion that the parents were in some way responsible for her death, at what point during the the course of events, did they have the opportunity to dispose of the body? The window of opportunity was extremely narrow.

[Moloko]

Originally Posted by flangemanager ↗

One question that has never been satisfactorily answered is - If you are to take the opinion that the parents were in some way responsible for her death, at what point during the the course of events, did they have the opportunity to dispose of the body? The window of opportunity was extremely narrow.

They had ample opportunity to dispose Madeleine's body. The last known sighting of Madeleine alive was 6pm, 3rd of May. However, the alarm wasn't raised until 10pm that evening. That is four hours in which the parents could have easily disposed of her body.

It should be noted, though, that the police are not convinced by the 6pm sighting. The only evidence that exists of Madeleine being alive on the 3rd of May is a photo taken just after 2pm. That's a potential eight hours in which she could have died and her body being concealed.

This is speculation, of course, but Gerry could have easily placed her body in the missing sports bag and buried her, even if temporary, on the beach or stowed her somewhere.

The cadaver dogs alerted to a wardrobe/cupboard in the parents bedroom in 5a. I suspect Madeleine's body had been placed there at some point during those hours between her last being seen alive and Kate raising the alarm at 10pm.

As you say, there is no evidence they killed her. Again, I don't think they intentionally killed her. I think she died due to child neglect and someone did die in 5a as the dogs alerted to cadaverine. As there is no record of a death having ever occurred in that apartment prior to the McCanns staying there and that their child "went missing," it's not unreasonable to believe that Madeleine died.

We do know the McCanns neglected their children while on holiday. They've admitted to leaving the children alone in the apartment five nights in a row. The fifth night being when Madeleine "disappeared." Under Portuguese law, that is classed as child abandonment.

Had Gordon Brown not interfered when Portuguese police named the McCanns arguidos (suspects), I do think they would have been arrested for child neglect and we would have found out exactly what happened to Madeleine.