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04-28-2011, 12:24 PM
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9/11 Explained to Roelly
The impact was one of the largest contributing factors to the collapse. It's the part conspiracy theorists like to forget when comparing these collapses with others. The impacts caused real trauma to all three buildings. (Two airliners into the towers and debris from the north tower for building 7) The towers had a number of floors destroyed from about the perimeter columns to the core. The impact sliced the aluminum aircraft into smaller pieces but the speed of the craft also sliced through the steel like butter. The impacts also spread jet fuel into the buildings. Not all the fuel was used in the fire ball. In fact, eye witnesses say jet fuel was creating curtains of fire as it poured down from the impact zone. But the jet fuel only started the fires. It was never the NIST's contention that the jet fuel brought down the buildings as conspiracy theorists suggest. Conspiracy theorists use this as a straw man. They say the jet fuel couldn't have bowed the columns and sagged trusses. Just as lighter fluid doesn't cook your meat in a barbeque, the jet fuel didn't sag the trusses or bow the columns. You also can't leave this important factor out either. Conspiracy theorists say the columns couldn't have bowed and the trusses couldn't have sagged because the jet fuel wasn't hot enough and was used up within about 15 minutes of impact. That's like saying your meat didn't cook in your barbeque because the lighter fluid burns too quickly. All the jet fuel did was act as lighter fluid and intensify the fire for about 15 minutes. The impact brought a 500 mile an hour wind to the impact floors as a wall of debris traveled from one end of the buildings to the other. The jet fuel blast added to the event with more than just a pyrotechnic show. This high wind (debris and blast) blew the debris into the furthest corners of the building. It obviously stripped the ceiling tile system off in an instant. Photographic evidence shows no sign of ceiling tiles on the impact floors. In that same instant the all important "blown on" fire proofing was removed from the trusses and some columns. This could be seen from photographic evidence in the NIST report. The NIST also replicated the fireproofing and conditions during impact and found the fireproofing easily blew off. As with all the NIST tests anyone can replicate them if they doubt the conclusion. Click on the photo below to see a larger image. Conspiracy theorists will point to Mrs. Cintron waving by column 134 as evidence the fires weren't hot. But it's absurd to suggest she was there during the impact. It's obvious SOMETHING protected her and she made it to where she is to wave for help. Even if you think a missile hit the towers, something must have protected her. Apparently, all critical thinking skills go out the window when conspiracy theorists see her. As if the fires behind and above her must be cool because her location appears to be. Another of many logical fallacies suggested by deniers. [Wind as in air that moves... Believe it or not, conspiracy theorists have attacked the word "Wind" as if I was saying an absurd weather front moved into the towers. It seems that if they don't take the words out of context they can't attack it. Another absurd point was made about the airliner having air pressure on its leading edge as if the plane was intact as it ripped through the building.] The load was redistributed to the remaining perimeter columns and hat truss system over the core. The design was truly robust and prevented the building from crashing to the ground early. The mechanics of the collapse are really much more simple than conspiracy theorists would like you to believe. The heat expanded the steel in the truss in all directions. As a result they also expanded into the columns. The trusses/floor system, sagged in the middle because the columns were preventing the trusses from expanding in their direction. That led to the bowing of the exterior columns. In terms of mass, the floors were comparable to tree trunks and the columns were like branches. The floor connections of the long span floors could support a load of a couple story masses and had an energy absorbing ability of a couple hundredths of a GJ per story. The floor connections were like crepe connecting the floors to the columns. The crepe was sufficient for the structure in its static organized state but was a weak link during collapse when the structure in the region of the collapse front no longer resembled the static organized state. Listen to the NIST lead investigator explain the leading hypothesis for the towers collapse. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/sund-flash.html After the columns bowed, the weight was no longer going straight down. Like taking a straw and bowing it in the middle, it no longer can hold the same weight as it did when it was straight. The building tried to transfer the load to the core columns and massive hat truss on the roof. The weakened core, weakened by fire and impact, couldn't hold the massive weight from tilting. As with the perimeter column, the massive load on the deformed core columns gave way. The NIST and "Pancaking" The massive weight easily caused a "Pancaking" effect but unlike the original hypothesis, the pancaking didn't cause the collapse. It was a result of the collapse. Sorry after writing that I can't put any of the example pics I got. I will make a thread and repeat what I said in general topics of interest  ·  ·  · |
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04-28-2011, 12:33 PM
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Re: 9/11 Explained to Roelly
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04-28-2011, 12:34 PM
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Re: 9/11 Explained to Roelly
I have to leave but I will be back shortly and I will post proof that the U.S. was responsible for 9/11.
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04-28-2011, 12:38 PM
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04-28-2011, 12:39 PM
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Re: 9/11 Explained to Roelly
The suggestion that someone would need to fly airplanes into two buildings and blow them up is in itself absurd. Could you imagine the meeting?... Government: We want to cause a tragedy so great the American people will blindly follow us into war... What do you think gentlemen... Accomplice #1: Well, the Towers are a perfect choice.. It's been bombed before. We can just blame Osama again. We've been priming the American people by having him blow up our warships and our buildings in other countries. Government: Yeah, good idea! How will we do that? Accomplice #1: We can hire Osama to get some of his friends to fly planes into it! Accomplice #2: Wait... I have a better idea, We can BOMB the buildings! Accomplice #1: Well, that means placing enough bombs into two 110 story buildings. That's going to take a lot of man power and risk us being uncovered... Accomplice #2: Yeah, but that way, you’re sure to knock them down. Besides, maybe the hijackers won’t make it to the target. Maybe they'll be uncovered! Accomplice #1: But you don't need to knock them down, all you need is the horrific sight of the planes hitting the buildings. People will get the message. It's an attack on American soil. We'll also have people like the blind sheik to cover for us. We'll even put a guy on a train with evidence. Your plan isn't perfect either, you know. Do I have to remind you of Operation Towel Pop? We already tried to embarrass Clinton by knocking it down and failed. Accomplice #2: Yeah, our Bay of Pigs, but I say the only way they can get the message is if we knock them down. Accomplice #1: Do not Accomplice #2: Do too Accomplice #1: Do not Accomplice #2: Do too Accomplice #1: Do not Accomplice #2: Do too Government: Gentlemen, gentlemen... Please... What the hell, we'll just do both! :blink: How do we do that? I mean, how do you keep explosions from showing up on TV? We're going to have to investigate this at some point. How do we cover up the scene? Accomplice #2: But why not just knock it dow... Government: I've made my decision. Continue... Accomplice #2: OK.. We install charges on every floor so that after the planes hit, we blow each floor under the crash floor one by one, very fast to simulate pancaking. We'll let the building burn a while just for effect. This will also give time for the trusses to sag making it LOOK like a fire caused the building to fall. Accomplice #1: Nice touch... Accomplice #2: Why, thank you. :) ...We'll set a charge off in the middle of the building AFTER the top is on its way down so everyone thinks the puffs of debris coming from the windows are from the tremendous hypodermic needle like pressure blowing debris from the weakest point in the building. Government: What about the sound of explosions? Isn't that a dead giveaway? Accomplice #2: No problem, We'll just let them think it's normal electrical explosions like transformers blowing up or the initial concrete and steel and floors hitting the floors below. Accomplice #1: Yeah, it could also be the steel columns snapping like twigs from the tremendous weight of the floors above... Don't worry, we have disinformation specialists in key internet forums. Government: WOW, You guys think of everything.. What about Building 7? Can we take that out at the same time? Accomplice #1: We won’t be able to fly planes into it, that's for sure... Accomplice #2: Leave it to me. If we set off the explosions just right, we can have one of the towers hit Building 7, missing the two next to it. After that, we can set fires on the bottom floors and let it burn for a while, you know, to make it look possible for a normal collapse. I'll call my agent in the fire department to get everyone out before we blow it. I'll figure a way to make the floors look buckled for effect as well. Government: Amazing ... I also want to take out the Pentagon. Any suggestions? Accomplice #1: What we'll do is hijack a plane just for effect, then fire a missile at the Pentagon. A bunker buster. Government: But what about the people on the plane? Accomplice #1: We'll land the plane in area 51, then shoot them all. Government: Why not use the plane instead of the missile? That way, you take care of all the evidence at the same time... People on the highway can also see the planes hit. If you use a missile, there's going to be a lot of witnesses who saw a missile and not a plane. Accomplice #1: Err... ah, don't worry about these small details. I have an undercover op in the DC police department who will take the names down and shot them all. Government: How are you going to get all the people involved in this? Bush isn't exactly loved you know.. Accomplice #1: Don't worry, psych-ops will take care of the brainwashing of the American people. As for the media, we control the left and the right! Government: GREAT! Nice work all! Let’s make the target date Sept 11, 2001. |
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04-28-2011, 12:44 PM
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Re: 9/11 Explained to Roelly
All the people who would have to be involved in order to pull this massive conspiracy off... -The Bush Administration, who failed at everything they ever did. Yet all of them and the people below are helping him cover up the largest mass murder in US history... Some of them like Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neil have come out for less. -The NYC Fire fighters who know more about building collapses than most, if not all, of them. It's their LIFE to know. Literally! Yet they don't call for an investigation into the MASS MURDER of over 300 of their brothers... Why? (The twisting of these peoples’ statements for donations and DVD sales sickens me.) We have uncovered the myth about a gag order imposed on all fire fighters. Only 9/11 conspiracy sites say this. ONE person who sued Bush for not taking action before the event is ordered by the court not to speak to the media about the case. This is not imposing a gag order on the whole fire department as some of these sites claim. They are lying to cover up this mass murder by the government or the building owner. Why? They don't even know... Conspiracy theorists bring up an article in Fire House magazine which says the fire department wanted to stop the steel from being sold in order to test the fire proofing and other non-bomb/controlled demolition related investigations. They twist the article’s context to make it seem like the firefighters questioned the idea that fire brought down the towers. http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Artic...y.cfm?Section= OnlineArticles&SubSe%20ction=Display&PUBLICATION_I D= 25&ARTICLE_ID=131225 http://fe.pennnet.com/Articles/Artic...nlineArticles& SubSection=Display&PUBLICATION_ID=25&ARTICLE_ID=13 0026 Many of these men and women come from the military, yet we are to believe they are so afraid they rather die in the government’s next mass murder than come out and expose this. -The courts for imposing a gag order [SEE above] -The NYC Police department who lost over 20 lives. They didn't ask for an investigation. Motive? None... -The NYC port Authority who lost personnel. Motive? -All the people in the Pentagon who have not called for an investigation. Many who are liberal and centrist. They did or said nothing while people supposedly trucked in airplane parts to cover the crime. Why? Again, no answer... -The more than 1,600 widows and widowers of 9/11 who would rather have investigations of the decisions which led to the terrorist getting away with this. They don't want to waste time investigating the mass murder of their loved ones. Even the Jersey Girls. Why? They say it's the money... [note: Whenever killing someone, pay off the relative. They won’t say anything.] -The media (This one I almost believe) who doesn't follow up on the biggest mass murder and conspiracy in American history. It seems no one wants a Nobel prize for journalism. Not only the American media but foreign press like the BBC and Al Jazeera. Why? No answer here either... -The photographers from around the world who took pictures of the towers which clearly show bowing of the perimeter columns. These photos support the NIST hypothesis that the sagging trusses lead to the collapse. Some photos also show the core intact shortly after collapse which also not only support the NIST hypothesis but discredits the "Controlled demolition" account. -Popular Mechanics who debunked these sites are also helping Bush commit the biggest mass murder in history. http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html -PBS Nova since they created a documentary explaining in detail how and why the buildings fell. None of it said bomb. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/ -Everyone in the NIST who covers up the largest mass murder in US history. This independent organization doesn't have a moral person in hundreds of employees because not one has come out exposing this so called "Conspiracy". In fact, the hundreds of scientist who signed onto the report are willing to not only lie for Bush but cover up the largest mass murder in American history. Some suggest only a handful can do the job but that's simply impossible. The team in charge of the computer modeling has to be in sync with the team of structural engineers and so on. There are hundreds involved in this investigation and every team has to work with other teams using the same evidence and specifications. -NY Governor Pataki because he sold steel from the WTC for the construction of the USS New York. If the argument is the government sold the steel in order to cover up the crime then Pataki is one of the criminals. -The NY city scrap yards because they also sold steel to China before all of it was tested. Bush would have needed to call them up and tell them to sell it before they could have investigated every beam. A task which would have taken years and years not to mention millions more. Ironically the republican Mayor Bloomberg could not be involved since he asked the scrap yards not to sell the steel on behalf of the firefighters. -EVERY STRUCTURAL ENGINEER IN THE WORLD who doesn't write a paper for a mainstream peer reviewed journal saying the towers were brought down and could not have fallen due to fire. If laymen can prove things just by looking at videos and reading interviews out of context, then all those structural engineers MUST be working for Bush right? Even the ones in other countries. Why? The answer they give is that the engineers don't know about Jones’ work. So in all this time no one has e-mailed Jones' work to any structural engineer? -Structure Magazine who published a report saying the collapse of WTC 7 may have been due to one column failing. -The liberals who don't believe the towers were brought down. (Like me) They're helping a neo-con cover-up the largest mass murder in this nation’s history. Why? No clue... -The CIA -The FBI -FEMA -The American Society of Civil Engineers who have produced peer reviewed papers showing how what Conspiracy Theorists say is impossible is possible. -NORAD -The FAA who saw planes which conspiracy theorists say never existed. -The Silverstein Group who they say got together with Bush to blow up the building for insurance money. -Silverstein's Insurance Company who didn't question the collapse and paid out over 2 billion to Silverstein. Why? Conspiracy Theorists say the insurance company just wants to pass on the bill to the public but they already fought Silverstein in a number of law suits concerning the amount. -American Airlines (Pentagon) -United Airlines (Pentagon) -Logan, Newark and Dulles Airport for losing the planes -Scientists and engineers who developed the remote control plane technology -Installers of the remote control devices in the planes (Pentagon) -Remote controllers of the planes (Pentagon) -Scientists and engineers who developed the new demolition technology and carried out practical tests and computer models to make sure it would work. -Installers of the demolitions devices in the three buildings -People who worked at the company(s) the installers used as cover -Airphone etc employees who said they got calls from passengers (Pentagon) -Faux friends and relatives of the faux passengers or just the faux relatives who claim to have been called by their loved ones or just the psyops who fooled relatives into thinking they really were their loved ones. (Pentagon) -People who detonated the buildings" -anyone who thinks the conspiracy is a diversion to take liberal activist focus off of real crimes. Even conspiracies with a few people are doomed. Look at Enron and Watergate. The more people you involve, the more likely the conspiracy will fall apart. The amount of people needed for this conspiracy could fill one of the towers. It's absurd to think this many people could keep a mass murder for Bush secret for this long. Absurd... |
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04-28-2011, 12:49 PM
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| goinggoingGONE Poster Rank:33 I am a man yes I am and tell ya so Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 46,450 Mentioned: 65 Post(s) Quoted: 6610 Post(s)
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Re: 9/11 Explained to Roelly
He's going to the underground base to ask the tauns for a time machine so he can point at the people on tv who are doing it and then when we check YouTube NOW it will have placed him in there to prevent paradox!
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