[dancroman]

Originally Posted by christianbeccy ↗

You'll call me ignorant, I'm a Brit, so I'm far removed from day-to-day life in the US. But it's hard to see how guns aren't the problem here.

I know many are citing mental health as the issue and that may be so, but with guns being far less accessible, the problem decreases for sure.

Compare it to the combustion triangle. A fire needs 3 elements to succeed. Oxygen, Heat and Fuel. Remove one element, there is no fire.

A mass killing needs 3 elements to succeed. A perp, a weapon and a motive. We could defuse the motive, whether it be mental health, a grudge, or whatever. Or we could also remove the weapon. That's not to say the motive doesn't need addressing, but making guns harder to access takes away the most volatile part of the triangle.

There's a bigger picture here, which by the way I do understand, and that's the huge chicken/egg situation created by a country populated by people that feel they need to carry a gun to protect them from the other people with guns. That's another matter and shouldn't remove common sense from the equation.

A killer is only a killer when he has the means to kill. It's super easy to kill someone with a gun, you can do it from hundreds of feet away, with no moral connection to your victim and no time for compassion to kick in. You can do it from a hidden position, picking victims off from a hotel window, even from a hole drilled in the trunk of a car.

If the killer couldn't obtain a gun and settled for a knife, he/she would have to be far closer and a whole lot more efficient to achieve the same kill rate and not everyone can make a bomb that easily.

I can only remember 3 non-IS mass-shootings in the UK in my lifetime. Cumbria in 2010, Dunblane in 1996 and Hungerford in 1987. A very tiny percentage of the population carries a weapon of ANY sort and those that do are probably gang-members who are only really interested in killing rival gangs.

Please help me to understand what I've missed here?

You say all that as folks get stabbed and ran over by vehicles on the reg in the UK. Same shit different method. At least we have the choice to have a chance of defending ourselves. I will give my life keep my 2nd amendment right to have firearms for self defense.

[Hell-Razor]

Originally Posted by JamesdBond007 ↗

Why are surveillance images from places like wall mart so grainy but the rovers on mars have such clear images we could spot a alien from 10 miles away?

because businesses don't care. They are all for profit and will save every penny possible at our expense.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Suicide_Note ↗

It's strange. Although Texas is a gun friendly state, only about 5% of the population has a CCW license, and even fewer actually carry every day.

Whenever I leave home, I carry four things with me: wallet, keys, phone, and my G19.

I live in Texas, have for most of my life. I'd almost guarantee at least 1 person was packing there. And they probably were just scared shitless and cared more about getting to safety than pursuing a gunmen.

Most people are going to run rather than have a gun battle.

Wal Mart with their billions of dollars in profits each year. And their no gun zone policy, should imo hire off duty cops as security.

[niknik]

Originally Posted by Hell-Razor ↗

because businesses don't care. They are all for profit and will save every penny possible at our expense.

Wal Mart has great surveillance cameras. If their cameras show shitty footage its because someone made it that way.

Because they are for profit, and Walmart is probably the most stolen from store in America. A 50 thousand dollar camera system would pay for itself within a year.

[Hell-Razor]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

Wal Mart has great surveillance cameras. If their cameras show shitty footage its because someone made it that way.

Because they are for profit, and Walmart is probably the most stolen from store in America. A 50 thousand dollar camera system would pay for itself within a year.

how do you know their security cameras? Can you prove they spent this amount on cameras? You're assuming a business cares and wants to spend money instead of putting it in the ceos pockets

[christianbeccy]

Originally Posted by dancroman ↗

You say all that as folks get stabbed and ran over by vehicles on the reg in the UK. Same shit different method. At least we have the choice to have a chance of defending ourselves. I will give my life keep my 2nd amendment right to have firearms for self defense.

I'm not criticising you for defending yourself, in your situation, I probably would too, but surely you can see that the guns are the problem in the first place? You're carrying a gun to protect yourself from someone who may (or may not be) carrying a gun.

By the way, people getting stabbed or run over really isn't that common and it's mostly isolated to London. The amount of deaths in these cases are minimal by comparison.

[fuck_that]

Originally Posted by fendi87 ↗

Go figure another emo hipster spic loser

The shooter isn't Hispanic. That's what you mean by "spic," right?

[Hell-Razor]

Originally Posted by niknik ↗

I'd love to see your research that proves what you just claimed.

Because I'd be willing to bet it's the other way around.

Actually, I'd bet most murders are done by people who don't vote at all. But if they were forced to pick say, Obama and Bill Clinton, or Bush and Trump. Like I said, I'd bet more murderers would say Obama and Clinton.

You do realize black folks commit more murders in the US each year right? And black folks are overwhelmingly Democrat.

Seems like you're claiming a lot of facts to cover your bullshit. It's ok, I smell what you're stepping in.

[Hell-Razor]

Originally Posted by dancroman ↗

You say all that as folks get stabbed and ran over by vehicles on the reg in the UK. Same shit different method. At least we have the choice to have a chance of defending ourselves. I will give my life keep my 2nd amendment right to have firearms for self defense.

interesting. Your defense is ignorant and shows how stupid and uneducated you are.

No, it's not the same shit, I've had one knife pulled on me an I was able to defend myself while getting very minor cuts on my forearm. The playing field is more level. They [UK] also have the chance to defend themselves...

I've also had people swing on me plenty of times trying to rob me (five total, three just fighting, one with a knife and one guy while I was skating down a dark Street. May have had a gun I don't know but he was coming the other direction, turned on his brights ten feet from me and slammed on his brakes heading in my direction. Before he even finished his sentence (give me all your money) I was jumping the concrete wall to my right).

I have plenty of scars and chipped teeth because I'm not afraid to be a man and use my hands and don't cry and hide behind a second amendment.



Your ignorance is sad.

[Suicide_Note]

Originally Posted by Hell-Razor ↗

Sure, I don't disagree and you're trying to go from one extreme to the next. First, laying a fully loaded gun on the table is stupid, a gun should always be under the control of the owner.

Second, ignoring that there are negligent people out there is ignorant and supports my previous statement of not ever Joe Blow should be able to carry, visible or not.

Obviously, laying a fully loaded firearm on the table, and then leaving it there for anyone to come along and access it is stupid. That would be negligent, as I mentioned in my post. The point I was making is that the gun isn't going to just fire by itself unless someone comes along and pulls the trigger.

I do agree that not everyone should be carrying a firearm on them. However, I do believe that people absolutely have the right to do so, and should undergo some form of training to be proficient enough to own and EDC a firearm. That said, even people who have been well trained in handling firearms can be negligent at times. As with anything that involves humans, there are no guarantees that mistakes will not be made.

In regards to these mass shootings, firearms are not the problem. Mental health is the issue, and figuring out how to keep firearms out of the hands of mentally ill people is the hard part. Even if they can't buy the gun legally, there's no stopping them from doing it through illegal means. In these instances, sadly, where there is a will, there is a way.