[18Zulu]

Originally Posted by Johnny Alias ↗

18zulu, this sounds like fascinating experience. Are there any other government-related fuckup situations you can tell us about? I'm aware of the FBI letter used to blackmail MLK and some other private citizens, but any first hand knowledge you can shed on any other matters (9/11 related or not) would be welcome

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[calijames]

Amazing there are still morons who think this was an inside job.

[Nic8895]

9/11, yet Muslims just cannot understand why Americans have an ingrained distrust for them. Not all muslims are flying planes into towers or blowing themselves up, but all those flying planes into towers and blowing themselves up are muslims.

[Baugustin12]

Some crazy things I have to say about 9/11 is,
1. look how far some of the body parts are from the actual building

2. Heard this on reddit not sure if its true... Apparently the rescue dogs were getting so sad and PTSD from just finding dead bodies that they needed to hide fake survivors to keep them motivated.

[Baugustin12]

Originally Posted by mothmon ↗

I wish I had a nickel for every nutty buddy who believed 9/11 was an inside job perpetrated by George W. Bush and his secret illuminati I'd be able to buy myself a new twin tower, made of ivory, of course

You can't believe what your always told especially if their is a lot of power and change behind an event, BUT google has mixed info weather or not Osama Bin Laden worked for the CIA. Apparently he went rogue. But like you said I'm not saying its an inside job, just find it crazy how they didn't see it coming knowing the basement got bombed years before. Also rising tensions in the middle east.

[Baugustin12]

Originally Posted by Codemonkey3 ↗

No jumpers survived. They were jumping from 90 stories up or more it's impossible to survive that fall.

I heard a rumor that a fire fighter clearing the Marriot hotel which sits between both buildings was clearing the hotel and checked the roof which was littered with jumpers. Rumor says one of them was still alive but death was inevitable so there was nothing to be done.

It's a rumor though. There is potential truth in parts of it; Fire Fighters were in fact on the roof of the Marriot. One of the landing gears of the plane ended up going through the roof into an office next to the swimming pool of the Marriot. Fire Fighters were on the roof and reported intact bodies while inspecting the damage.

As for a person surviving the fall. Seems impossible but if you look at the pictures of the jumpers that landed on the VIP car port and the one from the NIST photos that has his legs hanging off the side of a roof the bodies are surprisingly intact. It all depends on different factors, which side you land on and stuff that determined just how well the body held up so maybe one jumper landed still alive and passed away very shortly after, in the unlikely event he survived longer the collapse would've done it for sure since the Marriot was split in half by the first and leveled down to like two or three stories after the second.

Most of the jumpers from descriptive and photographic evidence who landed at ground level were completely destroyed, barely recognizable. The photos of bodies that didn't hit pavement seem to have held up better so it's one of those things you wonder about. If it was possible or if it did happen or not.

Appears first firemen to die was from a jumper.

https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearn...n_911_was_hit/

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/13/n...ew-of-911.html

[Patriotpride16t]

Originally Posted by NAV3 ↗

To clarify, it WAS an inside job...but I'm not going to state any opinion of who was responsible because I don't feel there is enough to say that it was 100% one person or 100% a certain group. Well, except Bin Laden and his 19 "terrorists" who weren't responsible. It's all in the physical proof.

It is quite odd that the Pentagon, which has literally hundreds of security cameras inside and outside, yet only .5 seconds of video is recorded and documented from 1 camera.

[Predator04]

Originally Posted by calijames ↗

Amazing there are still morons who think this was an inside job.

Hell with all the information out I'm surprised there is anyone who doesn't think it's inside. You might need to do some research. You are lacking tons of information. But hey I'm sure the Pentagon had no cameras. And I'm sure a plane hitting it would only make a single whole with no wings in the building. Hey wonder where all that gold went? What happened days before 9/11? There you go. You should have some solid questions to get some answers. Your welcome

[anothergorewatcher]

Originally Posted by Steve ↗

For every claim you make a counterclaim can debunk your tin foil hat assessment of the events and who's culpable.

Provide your sources

[VividRaine]

I've been fascinated with seeing details about this event. I can remember where I was when it happened and how unbelievable it felt. Like something one would mostly see only in movies. These accounts of what happened really make it real, so I want to see everything I can, to honor those involved, by seeing the devastation, even the difficult things and understanding how horrific this attack was.

I found some videos that I had not seen before, of firefighters from inside.
[URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqnpj8kZoRQ[/URL]

Signs of an explosion at the WTC North Tower lobby


South tower collapse


Doctor films his wait to help survivors


Raw 9/11 Footage from a Hotel Window


This has a lot of things you may have seen, but it showed more when people were running away after the South Tower collapsed (including a large group of kids, maybe a daycare?). Also shows a lot of clear views of the first responders activity along with their numbers (most of whom did not make it out of the collapsing of the towers).


Really enjoyed the detail this guy filmed after the towers came down. He was right in there with the first responders.
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nqnpj8kZoRQ?si=JoiaffORg3Ruyha_" ></iframe>

Another person right in there with the first responders in the days after and they talk to some of the dog handlers.


Depository of over 2,000 images found of the clean up and rebuilding of the area.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/textfi...th/48028478788