[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by pbraasch ↗

Nice reply cock gobbler. Ok class, logic 101 is in session. Sit down children, and for those that forgot to take your Ritallin I have some in my desk.
Please, compare the aircraft stirkes on WTC 1 & 2 with the pentagon. You have holes that clearly contain both wing and tail section damage. Pentagon, there is NONE.

A 757-200 has a MTOW (maximum takeoff weight for you redneck hillbilly glue huffers) of 255,000lbs. and when configured for takeoff contains 11,489 gallons of avgas. The estimated speed we are told that said phantom aircraft was travelling was 365mph.

Now, obviously since you have had your head up your ass your whole life you fucking douche...I will explain the physics for you. F=mxa. Based on the mtow and the speed we have 115,680kg x approx. 165 meter per second squared. That is a force of 19,087,200 Newtons which is equivalent to approx. 4,180,000 lbs of force. This isn't even taking into consideration the force of the supposed explosion that took place from the 11,489 gallons of fuel onboard.
Taking this into consideration, your picture with the pretty red crayon outline shows abolutely no damage, with the forces involved, to the area where your crayon has indicated the wing area.
Oh, btw! the AGM-114 Hellfire missle has a Metal augmented charge (MAC); 18 lb (8 kg) shaped-charge that would have easily penetrated the pentagon protection AND penetrated to the inner corriders.
And another btw! The Hellfire produces 5,000,000lbs of overpressure at time of impact.
So, fuck you and I heard you got fired from the sperm factory for drinking on the job!

I stand corrected. You don't have any sense at all. Sorry, I wont make that mistake again.

Compare the strikes on the towers with the pentagon ?



I thought you would never ask.

[pbraasch]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Well, you do have a little sense after all. Quit hiding it man, use it every now and then. Now, IF you had bothered to read other posts, you would realize that I KNOW our goverment did not stop it. That is a "plane" and simple fact.

On the other hand, planes AA 11 and United 175 hit the towers, and the impact damage and resulting fires brought them down. Not C-4, nano-thermite, or any of that horseshit.

AA 77 hit the pentagon, and passengers brought down United 93. I don't get you people. I know our goverment did not stop it, but that does not mean all of the crazy horse shit you belive happened, because it did not.

About autopsies ? Don't get me started, I work for a funeral home if you could not tell from my name.
I embalm, dig graves, bury people, all of it. I know how it works, and I also know when a planes hits with that velocity, not much will survive, human or plane.

Once again, you are perfect proof that you cannot argue stupidity. You can't answer one of my questions or maybe you choose not to because you have let the government skullfuck you into being another of it's many sheeple. "My government would NEVER do any wrong. They are PERFECT".
You know...WHERE exactly is your PROOF (actual, visible PROOF), that this all went down the way you delusionally think it did. You and others keep opening your sewers to expound that little old cave dwelling towelheads pulled off the probably the second greatest act of terrorism since Pearl Harbor, yet you have NO proof. (And yes, I have already discredited your photo. Not to mention the media today is pretty good at showing us what they want even if it is fabricated.)
Some babies were dropped on their heads but you were clearly thrown at a wall.

[Zambini]

Hmmmm

Seen these before?

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...ry/q0311.shtml

Looks very similar to me, but I'm sure the conspiracy theorists are much to smart to fall for that trick, after all, we have all been deceived by the same government that kept Watergate a secret...No, I mean the Bay of pigs invasion....No, I mean the same folks that kept Monica giving Clinton a blow job secret...Darn It, I mean just like Reagan kept Iran-Contra secret...Oh Hell, you know how good they are at keeping secrets, hiding something like this was so easy for them.

You give the Government too much credit, it is incredible how inept they are.

[Billthegravedigger]

Let's see here. Where to start. Ok, the towers where highrises in case you did not notice, cock gobbler.

Now, The World Trade Center Towers were 110 stories high, a little over 1,300 feet.

1 WTC: 1,368 ft (417.0 m)
2 WTC: 1,362 ft (415.0 m)

They were a tube within a tube structure, made of the outer walls, and the inner core. The two were tied in together with floor trusses. Simply put, if the outer wall fails, the inner wall will fail as well. If the inner wall fails, the outer wall will fail as well. They were essential in keeping the towers upright.

When the planes hit on 9/11, they took out most of the outerwall on the North Face of the North Tower, and over half of the outerwall on the South face of the South Tower, as well as most of the outerwall on the East face of the South Tower.

Think about it dipshit, that is not even including what was done the inner core of each tower. The cores of those towers were not reinforced concrete, or concrete at all. If you want to think they were, be my guest, but they were not. They were 2 layers of 2 inch thick GYPSOME BOARD, also known as sheetrock.

Got that so far ?

The core was completely severed in the North Tower, otherwise, people would have used the stairs instead of the long drop method. If you think that the core was concrete, I have some interesting pictures for you as well. Had those cores been reinforced concrete, they may have continued to stand. Now think about them being sheetrock, how much more damage would that do ? More than we can know.

Now, you have two severely damaged towers because they were hit at over 400 and 500 mph by a large passenger plane with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel because they were intended to fly across the country. The jet fuel went down those cores, and spread fire everywhere. The fuel burnt off fairly quickly, but all of the other contents did not not. I have a picture of a typical floor to add as well. Would the fire have spread the way it did if the cores were concrete ? No, they wouldn't.

Still with me ?



The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements.


You there cock gobbler ?



I wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard somebody say that the fires did not get hot enough to melt the steel. New flash, it didn't have to. It got hot enough to make it lose it's integrity, not make it melt. The buildings were already heavily damaged, and the fires just added to the problem. Make a scale building, remove VITAL support structers like in the towers, then add fire along with all the weight that was above the impacts, see how long it stands. You can scale weight, fire, damage, all of it. Difficult, but no more impossible that planes and fire bringing down two of the tallest buildings in the world.

How long do you think they will stand ? If you think they will, put your money where your mouth is. Do the scaling, record it, show us what happens.

I also stated to John in the other thread that the towers had "slip joints", that helped them flex in the wind. Here you go John, you asked for it, now you got it.

The core of the towers housed the elevator and utility shafts, restrooms, three stairwells, and other support spaces. The core of each tower was a rectangular area 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m) and contained 47 steel columns running from the bedrock to the top of the tower. The large, column-free space between the perimeter and core was bridged by prefabricated floor trusses. The floors supported their own weight as well as live loads, providing lateral stability to the exterior walls and distributing wind loads among the exterior walls.[33] The floors consisted of 4 inches (10 cm) thick lightweight concrete slabs laid on a fluted steel deck. A grid of lightweight bridging trusses and main trusses supported the floors.[34] The trusses connected to the perimeter at alternate columns and were on 6 foot 8 inch (2.03 m) centers. The top chords of the trusses were bolted to seats welded to the spandrels on the exterior side and a channel welded to the core columns on the interior side. The floors were connected to the perimeter spandrel plates with viscoelastic dampers that helped reduce the amount of sway felt by building occupants.



Viscoelastic dampers = slip joints. Slip joints is not the technical term, but that is what I was talking about. They were designed to help the building in high winds under normal curcumstances. A giant passenger plane hitting at over 400 mph is not what I would call "normal circumstances", how about you ? They became weak spots as the fires raged out of control, adding yet another problem for the towers to deal with.

Now, this part I will not apologize for, if you don't like it, tough fucking shit. Deal with it, I am past caring at this point. I have stated several times that the people hitting the ground sounded like explosions, and they did. John still refuses to comment on this part, so I would like some other opinions. What do you think an average person dropping from 700-1,200 feet at 140 mph and hitting concrete would sound like ? John said a loud splat. Not to me, they sounded like explosions. Want me to elaborate ? How many classes of explosives are there ? Several. Firecrackers, M-80s, Cherrybombs, C-4, RDX, Ammonium Nitrate just to name a very few.
Shake up a spraypaint can that is full, remove the plastic nozzle, and throw that bitch in a fire. When it bursts, would you consider that an explosion ?

The federal goverment does, and so do most people. The poor souls that came from those towers hit the fucking ground and exploded everywhere. They were louder that a spraypaint can tossed in a fire, and I know at least a few here besides me has done that at least one time in their life. They were LOUDER than that. Could you see people getting mistaken when they could hear them, but not see them hit ? Would it sound like an explosion to you ?

Now, if I said I had an explanation for every explosion that day, I would be full of shit, and everyone here knows it. I can not explain everything, no person can. But consider the info so far, what do you think ? Would sheetrock cores explain so many of the things going on with the towers ? The fires, the jumpers, the collapses ?

Did not lose you did I ?


Back to those cores one more time. They were sheetrock people, plain and simple. 2 layers that were 2 inches thick. Now of course the towers had concrete in the bottom levels, that is a given. They had to build a reverse bathtub to keep the river from reclaiming the WTC complex. They also used high strength concrete for the footers as well. Build a house without concrete footers, or going down to the bedrock, and see how long it takes for that house to begin to settle, and tear it's self apart. Not long.

Aside from that, the floor spans were covered in a 4 inch thick concrete slab. The base of the towers, and the floorspans were the only concrete used in the towers. Even Leslie Robertson, the man responsible for the construction said it was sheetrock the covered the inner cores. I am not trying to drive it into the ground, I am trying to get those who don't realize what they were to understand the significance of what it means.

Think of all the dust that covered Lower Manhattan, sheetrock. Think about the windows popping out and showing "squibs", it was not blasting explosives, it was the inner core being destroyed, and the dust from the sheetrock being expelled through those windows.

You on autopilot bitch ?



Yamasaki and engineers John Skilling and Les Robertson worked closely, and the relationship between the towers' design and structure was clear. Faced with the difficulties of building to unprecedented heights, the engineers employed an innovative structural model: a rigid "hollow tube" of closely spaced steel columns with floor trusses extended across to a central core. The columns, finished with a silver-colored aluminum alloy, were 18 3/4" wide and set only 22" apart, making the towers appear from afar to have no windows at all.


Also unique to the engineering design were its core and elevator system. The twin towers were the first supertall buildings designed without any masonry.



Worried that the intense air pressure created by the buildingsâ high speed elevators might buckle conventional shafts, engineers designed a solution using a drywall system fixed to the reinforced steel core.




For the elevators, to serve 110 stories with a traditional configuration would have required half the area of the lower stories be used for shaftways. Otis Elevators developed an express and local system, whereby passengers would change at "sky lobbies" on the 44th and 78th floors, halving the number of shaftways.


Aluminum alloy was highlighted for Smithninjerk off or whatever the fuck his name is. He said pure aluminum burns silvery, not yellowish like the metal falling from the South Tower shortly before it collapsed. The metal dripping down is yellowish because it was an alloy, not pure aluminum. It will burn differently in color, and melting point depending upon the other metal that is added.


Come off autopilot bitch, we don't want you hitting any buildings, and blaming it on cruise missles.




The World Trade Center had ultra-lightweight floors, and used the latest fireproof 'drywall' to protect the stairwells and lift shafts. Much of this internal structure seems to have been vaporized when the planes crashed, exposing the underlying steel to the intense heat of multiple fires.

Brian Clark was one of the only four survivors from both towers to escape from above where the planes hit. He describess clambering over the shattered walls to break through a smoke-filled stairwell to get out. "Drywall had been blown off and was lying up against the stair railing." he says, "We had to shovel it aside." Another survivor, window cleaner Jan Demczur, found the drywall so soft that he was able to dig through it with a squeegee to break out of a lift he was trapped in.

Watch it, you are getting close to.....nevermind, go ahead.


Ok, basically the WTC towers were three buildings in one. The bottom third, the middle third, and the top third. It was set up that way for a few reasons, a major reason being the elevators.

Because the buildings were so tall, they divided the evevators up into local and express, along with one that tranversed all the way to the upper sky lobby. This is another reason they used gypsome sheetrock for the cores instead of concrete. They were afraid the the elevators would cause too much pressure within a concrete core, and cause some severe problems.

Some people say the towers fell at freefall speed, but this is simply not true. If you would have dropped a tennis ball from the top of the towers, it would have hit the ground in 9.23 seconds. Each tower took longer than 15 seconds to come down to the ground.

People say that the way the towers came down shows controlled demolition. In a sense, they are correct. They flew planes into the buildings, and the impact and resulting fires caused them to collapse. That is a form of controlled demolition considering had that not happened, they would both still be standing.

The part that gets misunderstood is the way they collapsed. The top started coming down and fell over the sides. That shows already that they did not reach freefall speed. The parts that fell over to the side were hitting the ground while the rest of the towers were still collapsing.

Some have said the sides falling over the way it did had to be blasted out by explosives, but why ? How would you expect a building that high to come down ? You have to realize that the towers' collapse started where the planes hit them, not at the bottom of the buildings. Why is that important ? It has everything to do with that fact.


Should I slow down ? Fuck it.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by Zambini ↗

Hmmmm

Seen these before?

http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question...ry/q0311.shtml

Looks very similar to me, but I'm sure the conspiracy theorists are much to smart to fall for that trick, after all, we have all been deceived by the same government that kept Watergate a secret...No, I mean the Bay of pigs invasion....No, I mean the same folks that kept Monica giving Clinton a blow job secret...Darn It, I mean just like Reagan kept Iran-Contra secret...Oh Hell, you know how good they are at keeping secrets, hiding something like this was so easy for them.

You give the Government too much credit, it is incredible how inept they are.

Zambini, I hope to buy you a beer too one day !!

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by pbraasch ↗

Once again, you are perfect proof that you cannot argue stupidity. You can't answer one of my questions or maybe you choose not to because you have let the government skullfuck you into being another of it's many sheeple. "My government would NEVER do any wrong. They are PERFECT".
You know...WHERE exactly is your PROOF (actual, visible PROOF), that this all went down the way you delusionally think it did. You and others keep opening your sewers to expound that little old cave dwelling towelheads pulled off the probably the second greatest act of terrorism since Pearl Harbor, yet you have NO proof. (And yes, I have already discredited your photo. Not to mention the media today is pretty good at showing us what they want even if it is fabricated.)
Some babies were dropped on their heads but you were clearly thrown at a wall.

Listen motherfucker, you can spout all the shit you want. I have reseached this shit for a decade now, ok ? I was at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

I saw people, not fucking dummies loaded with food coloring, jump from the flames and explode all over the fucking concrete. I lost a very close friend that day, I saw a pregnant woman jump and explode all over the fucking plaza, and her unborn child exploded with her.

You can say what ever, that wont change a fucking thing. Our goverment knew it was coming, they did not stop it. It's that simple. Now, continue spouting your shit if you wish, but it would have helped had you been there in the first fucking place.

Am I supposed to believe all of your bullshit because you say I should ? No, I will go with I saw happen. I will go with what common sense tells me dipshit. You will not change my mind no matter what you say, got it ?

Now, when you are witness to something I am not, I might listen to you because you saw it firsthand. When that happens, then come talk to me. Until then go fuck yourself you pathetic little bitch. People like you are a fucking waste, you should have been swallowed. Now, you did not know me from anybody, and started your shit. Fuck you.
I'd like to meet you in person. Fuckers like you try to treat people like they are below you, for whatever reason.

I do not know, nor care what your problem is, but I can promise you this. If you feel brave, I'll tell you where I live, then we can have a chat. No, I am not a badass either, I am however crazy. 9/11 fucked my head up good, and if you want proof, come see me, I'll show you just how fucking crazy it made me.

A man broke in my house and shot me 5 times, and I survived that, I survived 9/11, I have survived a lot of shit. Think I did it by being a dumb ass ? Come find out you little pussy ass bitch. Put your money where your mouth is.

I'm sick of you little pink motherfuckers.

[pbraasch]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Let's see here. Where to start. Ok, the towers where highrises in case you did not notice, cock gobbler.

Now, The World Trade Center Towers were 110 stories high, a little over 1,300 feet.

1 WTC: 1,368 ft (417.0 m)
2 WTC: 1,362 ft (415.0 m)

They were a tube within a tube structure, made of the outer walls, and the inner core. The two were tied in together with floor trusses. Simply put, if the outer wall fails, the inner wall will fail as well. If the inner wall fails, the outer wall will fail as well. They were essential in keeping the towers upright.

When the planes hit on 9/11, they took out most of the outerwall on the North Face of the North Tower, and over half of the outerwall on the South face of the South Tower, as well as most of the outerwall on the East face of the South Tower.

Think about it dipshit, that is not even including what was done the inner core of each tower. The cores of those towers were not reinforced concrete, or concrete at all. If you want to think they were, be my guest, but they were not. They were 2 layers of 2 inch thick GYPSOME BOARD, also known as sheetrock.

Got that so far ?

The core was completely severed in the North Tower, otherwise, people would have used the stairs instead of the long drop method. If you think that the core was concrete, I have some interesting pictures for you as well. Had those cores been reinforced concrete, they may have continued to stand. Now think about them being sheetrock, how much more damage would that do ? More than we can know.

Now, you have two severely damaged towers because they were hit at over 400 and 500 mph by a large passenger plane with 10,000 gallons of jet fuel because they were intended to fly across the country. The jet fuel went down those cores, and spread fire everywhere. The fuel burnt off fairly quickly, but all of the other contents did not not. I have a picture of a typical floor to add as well. Would the fire have spread the way it did if the cores were concrete ? No, they wouldn't.

Still with me ?



The tube frame design using steel core and perimeter columns protected with sprayed-on fire resistant material created a relatively lightweight structure that would sway more in response to the wind compared to traditional structures such as the Empire State Building that have thick, heavy masonry for fireproofing of steel structural elements.


You there cock gobbler ?



I wish I had a dollar for everytime I heard somebody say that the fires did not get hot enough to melt the steel. New flash, it didn't have to. It got hot enough to make it lose it's integrity, not make it melt. The buildings were already heavily damaged, and the fires just added to the problem. Make a scale building, remove VITAL support structers like in the towers, then add fire along with all the weight that was above the impacts, see how long it stands. You can scale weight, fire, damage, all of it. Difficult, but no more impossible that planes and fire bringing down two of the tallest buildings in the world.

How long do you think they will stand ? If you think they will, put your money where your mouth is. Do the scaling, record it, show us what happens.

I also stated to John in the other thread that the towers had "slip joints", that helped them flex in the wind. Here you go John, you asked for it, now you got it.

The core of the towers housed the elevator and utility shafts, restrooms, three stairwells, and other support spaces. The core of each tower was a rectangular area 87 by 135 feet (27 by 41 m) and contained 47 steel columns running from the bedrock to the top of the tower. The large, column-free space between the perimeter and core was bridged by prefabricated floor trusses. The floors supported their own weight as well as live loads, providing lateral stability to the exterior walls and distributing wind loads among the exterior walls.[33] The floors consisted of 4 inches (10 cm) thick lightweight concrete slabs laid on a fluted steel deck. A grid of lightweight bridging trusses and main trusses supported the floors.[34] The trusses connected to the perimeter at alternate columns and were on 6 foot 8 inch (2.03 m) centers. The top chords of the trusses were bolted to seats welded to the spandrels on the exterior side and a channel welded to the core columns on the interior side. The floors were connected to the perimeter spandrel plates with viscoelastic dampers that helped reduce the amount of sway felt by building occupants.



Viscoelastic dampers = slip joints. Slip joints is not the technical term, but that is what I was talking about. They were designed to help the building in high winds under normal curcumstances. A giant passenger plane hitting at over 400 mph is not what I would call "normal circumstances", how about you ? They became weak spots as the fires raged out of control, adding yet another problem for the towers to deal with.

Now, this part I will not apologize for, if you don't like it, tough fucking shit. Deal with it, I am past caring at this point. I have stated several times that the people hitting the ground sounded like explosions, and they did. John still refuses to comment on this part, so I would like some other opinions. What do you think an average person dropping from 700-1,200 feet at 140 mph and hitting concrete would sound like ? John said a loud splat. Not to me, they sounded like explosions. Want me to elaborate ? How many classes of explosives are there ? Several. Firecrackers, M-80s, Cherrybombs, C-4, RDX, Ammonium Nitrate just to name a very few.
Shake up a spraypaint can that is full, remove the plastic nozzle, and throw that bitch in a fire. When it bursts, would you consider that an explosion ?

The federal goverment does, and so do most people. The poor souls that came from those towers hit the fucking ground and exploded everywhere. They were louder that a spraypaint can tossed in a fire, and I know at least a few here besides me has done that at least one time in their life. They were LOUDER than that. Could you see people getting mistaken when they could hear them, but not see them hit ? Would it sound like an explosion to you ?

Now, if I said I had an explanation for every explosion that day, I would be full of shit, and everyone here knows it. I can not explain everything, no person can. But consider the info so far, what do you think ? Would sheetrock cores explain so many of the things going on with the towers ? The fires, the jumpers, the collapses ?

Did not lose you did I ?


Back to those cores one more time. They were sheetrock people, plain and simple. 2 layers that were 2 inches thick. Now of course the towers had concrete in the bottom levels, that is a given. They had to build a reverse bathtub to keep the river from reclaiming the WTC complex. They also used high strength concrete for the footers as well. Build a house without concrete footers, or going down to the bedrock, and see how long it takes for that house to begin to settle, and tear it's self apart. Not long.

Aside from that, the floor spans were covered in a 4 inch thick concrete slab. The base of the towers, and the floorspans were the only concrete used in the towers. Even Leslie Robertson, the man responsible for the construction said it was sheetrock the covered the inner cores. I am not trying to drive it into the ground, I am trying to get those who don't realize what they were to understand the significance of what it means.

Think of all the dust that covered Lower Manhattan, sheetrock. Think about the windows popping out and showing "squibs", it was not blasting explosives, it was the inner core being destroyed, and the dust from the sheetrock being expelled through those windows.

You on autopilot bitch ?



Yamasaki and engineers John Skilling and Les Robertson worked closely, and the relationship between the towers' design and structure was clear. Faced with the difficulties of building to unprecedented heights, the engineers employed an innovative structural model: a rigid "hollow tube" of closely spaced steel columns with floor trusses extended across to a central core. The columns, finished with a silver-colored aluminum alloy, were 18 3/4" wide and set only 22" apart, making the towers appear from afar to have no windows at all.


Also unique to the engineering design were its core and elevator system. The twin towers were the first supertall buildings designed without any masonry.



Worried that the intense air pressure created by the buildingsâ high speed elevators might buckle conventional shafts, engineers designed a solution using a drywall system fixed to the reinforced steel core.




For the elevators, to serve 110 stories with a traditional configuration would have required half the area of the lower stories be used for shaftways. Otis Elevators developed an express and local system, whereby passengers would change at "sky lobbies" on the 44th and 78th floors, halving the number of shaftways.


Aluminum alloy was highlighted for Smithninjerk off or whatever the fuck his name is. He said pure aluminum burns silvery, not yellowish like the metal falling from the South Tower shortly before it collapsed. The metal dripping down is yellowish because it was an alloy, not pure aluminum. It will burn differently in color, and melting point depending upon the other metal that is added.


Come off autopilot bitch, we don't want you hitting any buildings, and blaming it on cruise missles.




The World Trade Center had ultra-lightweight floors, and used the latest fireproof 'drywall' to protect the stairwells and lift shafts. Much of this internal structure seems to have been vaporized when the planes crashed, exposing the underlying steel to the intense heat of multiple fires.

Brian Clark was one of the only four survivors from both towers to escape from above where the planes hit. He describess clambering over the shattered walls to break through a smoke-filled stairwell to get out. "Drywall had been blown off and was lying up against the stair railing." he says, "We had to shovel it aside." Another survivor, window cleaner Jan Demczur, found the drywall so soft that he was able to dig through it with a squeegee to break out of a lift he was trapped in.

Watch it, you are getting close to.....nevermind, go ahead.


Ok, basically the WTC towers were three buildings in one. The bottom third, the middle third, and the top third. It was set up that way for a few reasons, a major reason being the elevators.

Because the buildings were so tall, they divided the evevators up into local and express, along with one that tranversed all the way to the upper sky lobby. This is another reason they used gypsome sheetrock for the cores instead of concrete. They were afraid the the elevators would cause too much pressure within a concrete core, and cause some severe problems.

Some people say the towers fell at freefall speed, but this is simply not true. If you would have dropped a tennis ball from the top of the towers, it would have hit the ground in 9.23 seconds. Each tower took longer than 15 seconds to come down to the ground.

People say that the way the towers came down shows controlled demolition. In a sense, they are correct. They flew planes into the buildings, and the impact and resulting fires caused them to collapse. That is a form of controlled demolition considering had that not happened, they would both still be standing.

The part that gets misunderstood is the way they collapsed. The top started coming down and fell over the sides. That shows already that they did not reach freefall speed. The parts that fell over to the side were hitting the ground while the rest of the towers were still collapsing.

Some have said the sides falling over the way it did had to be blasted out by explosives, but why ? How would you expect a building that high to come down ? You have to realize that the towers' collapse started where the planes hit them, not at the bottom of the buildings. Why is that important ? It has everything to do with that fact.


Should I slow down ? Fuck it.

Bravo, absolutely phenomonal way to misdirect the point. You started with a discussion (or should I say, acted like a horses ass against someones opinion) regarding the pentagon. I blow you're theory out of the water with facts that you couldn't dispute, so what do you do? You give me some wikipedia bullshit about Towers 1 & 2 and fucking exploding bodies?????
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PENTAGON! You stupid fucking used tampon. Fucking aborted afterbirth.
If you can't dispute facts, don't just drift off onto another topic to try to justify yourself and make yourself look intelligent.
Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth?
Sheetrock... why don't you just say balsa wood. 100 some odd floors of SHEETROCK?
Please read, if you can http://algoxy.com/conc/core.html

[pbraasch]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Ok, lay down before you hurt youself. Let me explain this to one more time ok, just in case you have not read any of my other posts on 9/11.

Our goverment knew it was coming, plain and simple. Why do you fucking nuts not get about that part ? I agree they knew it was coming and did nothing to stop it, that clear enough ?

On the other hand, it was nothing more than the planes that hit the towers, caused severe damage to both, and then the resulting fires caused them to collapse.

I don't give a fuck if you believe me, but I was there on 9/11 man. I saw shit nobody should have to see. I saw a pregnant woman and her unborn child jump and explode all over the fucking concourse level. And in case you did not understand that last sentence, that means the pregnant woman jumped with her unborn child in her stomach, and they exploded all over the concrete together.

Why can't you fucking understand that I agree they did not stop it, but that doesn't mean there were explosives throughout the WTC complex, because there were not.

I saw the towers come down, I saw the North Tower hit WTC # 7, it fucked it up real good. Then the building burned unchecked for hours, and it leaned towards the south for over two hours before it came down.

So call it want you want, but you being a newbie with that attitude, you wont last very long around here, wait and see what I'm telling you.

Another one of your fucking lies...all you do is fucking insult people here and lie.
Building 7 burned for hours and tilted to the south?
Funny, check the video in this site (http://rememberbuilding7.org/10/) and see that the building was standing straight and not on fire up till the point it fucking FREEFALLS in 6.25 seconds, an impossibilty for a 40 story building.
Tell your bullshit walkin.

[pbraasch]

Originally Posted by Billthegravedigger ↗

Listen motherfucker, you can spout all the shit you want. I have reseached this shit for a decade now, ok ? I was at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001.

I saw people, not fucking dummies loaded with food coloring, jump from the flames and explode all over the fucking concrete. I lost a very close friend that day, I saw a pregnant woman jump and explode all over the fucking plaza, and her unborn child exploded with her.

You can say what ever, that wont change a fucking thing. Our goverment knew it was coming, they did not stop it. It's that simple. Now, continue spouting your shit if you wish, but it would have helped had you been there in the first fucking place.

Am I supposed to believe all of your bullshit because you say I should ? No, I will go with I saw happen. I will go with what common sense tells me dipshit. You will not change my mind no matter what you say, got it ?

Now, when you are witness to something I am not, I might listen to you because you saw it firsthand. When that happens, then come talk to me. Until then go fuck yourself you pathetic little bitch. People like you are a fucking waste, you should have been swallowed. Now, you did not know me from anybody, and started your shit. Fuck you.
I'd like to meet you in person. Fuckers like you try to treat people like they are below you, for whatever reason.

I do not know, nor care what your problem is, but I can promise you this. If you feel brave, I'll tell you where I live, then we can have a chat. No, I am not a badass either, I am however crazy. 9/11 fucked my head up good, and if you want proof, come see me, I'll show you just how fucking crazy it made me.

A man broke in my house and shot me 5 times, and I survived that, I survived 9/11, I have survived a lot of shit. Think I did it by being a dumb ass ? Come find out you little pussy ass bitch. Put your money where your mouth is.

I'm sick of you little pink motherfuckers.

Oh...I weep for you. You've seen things you shouldn't have and have such a terrible existance.
It still does not excuse the fact that you can't support your pentagon theory so you just bounce from one haphazard thought to the next. And no, I don't think I am better than anyone else, I read and I use my brain. I don't shit on other peoples comments because I don't agree with them. In your case though I make an exception. You're like a fucking bully, who once they get punched in the nose, run away. And buddy, I just clocked you a good one, because not one of your posts was able to disprove any of my comments.
And by the way, we were kind of talking (in case you forgot) about a potential conspiracy surrounding the pentagon, and you start talking about exploding bodies. Exploding bodies would occur if it was truly a simple terrorist attack or a government cover-up. You make no sense whatsoever.

[Billthegravedigger]

Originally Posted by pbraasch ↗

Bravo, absolutely phenomonal way to misdirect the point. You started with a discussion (or should I say, acted like a horses ass against someones opinion) regarding the pentagon. I blow you're theory out of the water with facts that you couldn't dispute, so what do you do? You give me some wikipedia bullshit about Towers 1 & 2 and fucking exploding bodies?????
WE WERE TALKING ABOUT THE PENTAGON! You stupid fucking used tampon. Fucking aborted afterbirth.
If you can't dispute facts, don't just drift off onto another topic to try to justify yourself and make yourself look intelligent.
Do you ever wonder what life would be like if you'd had enough oxygen at birth?
Sheetrock... why don't you just say balsa wood. 100 some odd floors of SHEETROCK?
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Listen motherfucker, you said let's compare the impacts you stupid fucking shit. I had not got to the pentagon part yet you bitch, I do have a life besides dealing with retards like you, so scoop up some I don't give a fuck and shove in your ass. Have a nice day.